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Gym Leader   Joined: Fri Mar 11, 2005 7:33 pm Posts: 1578 Location: Wisconsin 
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Due to the recent surge of requests for stuff here, I decided another official rater was needed. I chose a candidate and PM'd him with the offer, which he accepted.
Welcome to our new Official Rater, Bushin. Oh yeah, an update on changes I had been planning... I'm guessing I pretty much have free reign over BT now, seeing as FireStarter didn't care to reply (I don't blame him x_x) and tiger10x is... tiger10x. You all may see some sudden, possibly drastic changes around here in a bit, so bear with me. _________________  |
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Pokemon Ranger   Joined: Mon Aug 14, 2006 9:39 am Posts: 689 Location: Brazil-Minas Gerais
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Registeel_Rocks wrote: Due to the recent surge of requests for stuff here, I decided another official rater was needed. I chose a candidate and PM'd him with the offer, which he accepted.
Welcome to our new Official Rater, Bushin. Oh yeah, an update on changes I had been planning... I'm guessing I pretty much have free reign over BT now, seeing as FireStarter didn't care to reply (I don't blame him x_x) and tiger10x is... tiger10x. You all may see some sudden, possibly drastic changes around here in a bit, so bear with me. Thanks! I will do my best! Matrix35 wrote: How bout:
 @ Focus Sash Naughty
252 spd 252 atk 6 hp Aerial Ace Protect Baton Pass Swords Dance I use protect to up speed... Baton Passer Standard.No comments on this one.  @ Leftovers Sassy
Not sure bout EVs but atk is high, def, sp def, and spd is balanced Surf Flamethrower Earthquake Dragon Claw Mixed sweeper Hmm, you might want to make him a physical sweeper,use a Jolly nature, put Sword Dance and Fire Blast over Flamethrower and Surf. With Fire Blast he has a better chance of killing Skarmories that might come to spoil your sweeping...  @ Leftovers Calm
Balanced atk, sp atk, def, sp def EV's Stealth Rock Meteor Mash Stealth Rock Shadow Ball Psychic Mixed Sweeper Metagross is even weaker than garchomp on the special side...The standard set for Metagross is this: @Leftovers/Choice Band
Nature:Adamant EVs: Hp:150 Attack:252 Speed:108 -Meteor Mash -Earthquake -Agility/Bullet Punch -Zen Headbutt/Ice Punch/Thunderpunch/Explosion  @ Focus sash Rash
high sp atk and speed Thunder Wave Psychic Energy Ball Shadow Ball Special Sweeper Use a Timid nature,Max Sp.Att and Speed,switch Thunder Wave by Calm Mind and you're good to go.  @ Rose Insence Impish
def, atk, spd Last Resort Grasswhistle Sunny Day Leaf Blade Lol I use Ninjask then Leafeon so I think its a Physical sweeper Leafeon has a nice attack but lacks speed and a good moveset to abuse it...If you really want to use him,the best moveset i could think was this: @Leftovers
Nature:Adamant Evs:Attack & Speed:252 -Bite -X-Scissors -Leaf Blade -Aerial Ace But if you want my opinion,a  works better...
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atk, def, and sp def Thunder punch Fire Punch Ice Punch Shadow Punch Physical Sweeper You're lacking a good wall on this team and Dusknoir is the a good one.Use this set: @Leftovers
Nature:Impish Evs:HP:252 Attack:4 S.Def:252 -Shadow Sneak -Ice Punch -Will-o-Wisp -Pain Split Ice punch because you don't have any other ice moves,shadow sneak to make up for it's low speed,W-o-W Lowers enemy attack + some damage and Pain Split for some healing. I know the natures are out of hand n stuff If you want to battle competitively,you need to make good use of the natures or you gonna have a huge handicap against your opponents,for example:If you fight a garchomp using your own garchomp you will always lose because yours is slower.Your team is too much based on physical sweeping and you have a serious unbalance on your defenses...I suggest switching one or two physical sweepers for some Walls. _________________  Get your custom sprites,avatars and signatures at Froggy's Lilypad! My Youtube Channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/Bushin22 Watch,Comment,Rate and Enjoy! ^_^x *Currently BUSY with real life,so i might take a while to respond messages or RMTs... Sorry,I might be back someday...* |
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Psychic Trainer   Joined: Mon Jun 30, 2008 1:54 am Posts: 81 Location: Malaysia
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Max_LKC wrote: I post this yesterday but for some reason it is deleted so i'm posting it again
1.Blissey@Life Orb Ability:Serene Grace Nature:Relaxed EV: 252DEF 129SP.ATK 129SP.DEF Softboiled Reflect/Sing/Double Team Thunderbolt Water Pulse Water pulse ain't strong but it can confuse the opponent and serene grace let it has 2x the chance of confusing the opponent. The thing is that reflect can covers up blissey low defence but brick break can OHKO it. Sing is good but mankey can't sleep because of vital spirit. Aura sphere will OHKO blissey even if it use double team I give it spatk ev so that it could do some massive damage while resisting opponents attacks I'd suggest you use this  instead:
Item: Leftovers/Chople Berry Nature: Bold EVs: 252 Def, 252 HP Ability: Serene Grace Moves: ~Ice Beam ~Charge Beam ~Counter ~Softboiled I call it the Killer Blissey. Most people play Blissey as Clerics, Annoyers etc. But I crafted this set to take advantage of the Physical Attacks that many people fire upon Blissey. Basically, counter takes care of most if not all physical attackers who fail to 1HKO Blissey with a Physical attack. And that is a very common case on this Blissey. Even the much feared Typical Garchomps get destroyed completely by this set. Few moves can 1HKO this Blissey, but they are the only things this Blissey needs to fear. Stabbed Close Combats for instance, normally have a high chance of 1HKOing Blissey. Of curse, Charge Beam raises Blissey's Sp. Atk 140% of the time with Serene Brace, so you can expect this Blissey to do a lot if the opponent doesn't have an appropriate counter. thanks for this moveset but i want to ask isn't waterpulse more better than Ice beam because strong physical sweepers usually lose because they are confused and hit themself because they failed to attack. 2.Milotic@Shell bell Ability:Marvel Scale Nature: Modest EV:200HP 100SP.DEF 120DEF 90SP.ATK Surf Ice Beam Recover Toxic I give it spatk ev so that shell bell can help that it might come in really handy later. it recover more hp Milotics are ideal for Hypnosis + Recover combos, so I'll advise strongly that you take this set instead: {Milotic} Item: Wide Lens Nature: Modest EVs: 252 Hp, 252 Sp. Atk Moves: ~Hypnosis ~Recover ~Hydro Pump ~Ice Beam Hypnosis is good but I want to ask when i'm up againts water type pokemon isn't toxic better? I aslso want to ask Surf has more accuary and pp than hydropump so why is hydropump better? 3.Bronzong@LeftoversAbility:Levitate Nature:Sassy EV:252HP 220DEF 38SP.DEF Calm Mind Hypnosis Gyro ball Psychic I gave it calm mind so that i won't have to worry about SPatk fire type attacks and it also helps psychic to do some damage. Stell type attacks ain't good but it's nature increases the power of gyro ball. I was thinking of using a gliscor but if u think gliscor is better tell me and tell me what moves nature and item should it have. When I look I Bronzong, I don't see a set up and sweep Pokemon. So I'd suggest you use this set instead: 
Item: Leftovers Nature: Sassy EVs: 252 Hp, 128 Atk, 128 Sp. Def Moves: ~Stealth Rock ~Hypnosis ~Gyro Ball ~Earthquake 4.Electvire@Muscle Band Ability:Motor Drive Nature:Admant EV: 252ATK 252SPD 6HP Thunder punch Ice Punch Earthquake Rock Slide Unless you're thinking of switching in on an Electric Attack, I'll advise you to get a Jolly one instead. Also, Rock Slide isn't really needed, so I think Low Kick or Cross Chop should replace it. There are Life Orbs and Expert Belts around, so use them instead of Muscle Bands. I don't really know about choice items so i want to ask if you can explain it to me. i know cross chop is better but if i use i my team won't have any rock type attacks so i want to ask you if i should change this move or not 5.Gallade@Muscle Band Ability:Stedfast Nature:Jolly EV:252ATK 252SPD 6HP Leaf Blade Night Slash Psycho Cut Brick Break Hmm...if I'm not wrong, the best kind of Gallade worth using are the Choice Banded ones, and to max out the potential of one, you'll need a moveset that consists of Close Combat, Psycho Cut, Ice Punch and Night Slash. Replacing Leafblade with ice punch makes my team has no ice type attacks so the same thing here i wnt to ask if i should change it 6.Charizard@Wise glasses Ability:Blaze Nature:Modest EV:252SP.ATK 252SPD 6HP Flamethrower Air Slash Dragon Pulse Focus Blast Your set may work if you change the Nature to Timid and give it a Choice Specs, but I have for you here one that strikes fear into the hearts of many:  or Bellyzard to be exact:
Item: Salac Berry Nature: Adamant/Jolly EVs: 252 Atk & Spd, 4HP. Be SURE that your Charizard's Hp is divisible by 4 at Lvl 100. Moves: ~Substitute ~Belly Drum ~Fire Punch ~Earthquake The trick here is to send Bellyzard out one someone whom you suspect will switch, Sub, Belly Drum, Activate Salac berry at 1/4 Hp and start owning. Don't worry about this set lacking Type Coverage. Fire Punch gets a Double Boost from Blaze and Stab, more than enough to take care of not very effective issues. Thanks for this bellyzard but i still want to ask where can i find wise glasses because i think my team needs a special sweeper If you're thinking i'm asking too much then sorry. |
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Pokemon Ranger Joined: Mon Aug 14, 2006 9:39 am Posts: 689 Location: Brazil-Minas Gerais
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Max_LKC wrote: Thanks for this bellyzard but i still want to ask where can i find wise glasses because i think my team needs a special sweeper If you're thinking i'm asking too much then sorry. You can find it here... But please post all questions here next time,ok? _________________ Get your custom sprites,avatars and signatures at Froggy's Lilypad! My Youtube Channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/Bushin22 Watch,Comment,Rate and Enjoy! ^_^x *Currently BUSY with real life,so i might take a while to respond messages or RMTs... Sorry,I might be back someday...* |
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Bug Catcher  Joined: Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:43 pm Posts: 19 Location: Right behind you....BOO!
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Volke wrote: Time for some rates. Seems like I missed one way at the top.  And yes, we are under attack. "Men, hold your ground. THIS...IS...PSYPOKES!!!!"
matt252007 wrote: I am Pokemon trainer who took an accidental 4 month hiatus from Pokemon (due to work) and would like to get a few opinions about my finally competed Diamond and Pearl double battles team. Any and all comments are appreciated. This team is an idea that focuses on the Charizards ability to earthquake at will with the power of Belly Drum
My leading combo looks like this... @ Leftovers
EVs: 252 Attack 252 Speed 6HP Nature: Jolly Belly Drum Fire Fang Crunch Earthquake I believe I have all of my bases covered with this moveset, if not, please tell me what needs to be replaced. Fire Punch>Fire Fang, because it is stronger, more accurate, and has more pp. Losing the 10% chance of flinching that Fire Fang gives is hardly a set back, so go with Fire Punch. The downside with Fire Punch is that Charizard must learn it from an Emerald move tutor.  Moveset-wise, it looks pretty good. You can go with Dragon Claw instead of Crunch if you want to hit dragons.
As for everything else, it really depends on what you do. Let's start with the items. Leftovers is okay. It's a sweeper, so it won't get a major boost from it. You can go with Life Orb, or Expert Belt if you want more power. Life Orb allows it to potentially gain Blaze, but it may make him die faster. The truly best item on a Belly Drum set would be a Salac Berry, which boosts its speed by one stage (1.5). It activates at 1/4 HP or less. Now, to get the berry to activate, you're going to need substitute. The idea is to sub first, which takes away 1/4 HP, then Belly Drum to take away 1/2 HP. Then the berry should activate instantly. Blaze should too. EVs look fine. Make sure that your HP is divisible by 4 when your Charizard reaches level 100. As for the nature, since you're already going to get a speed boost, you should go with an Adamant nature. Jolly helps, but it's mainly to outrun a very small number of Pokemon. In doubles, be careful, cuz they could gang up on you. In the last two slots, give it Fire Punch/ Fang and Earthquake. There are some other variations that use Salac Berry without a sub, but in my opinion, this is safer. Watch out for phazers though; they will definitely ruin your fun.  @Leftovers
EVs: 252 HP 128 Defense 128 Special Defense Nature: Bold Air Slash Thunder Wave Follow Me Aura Sphere The purpose of this togekiss is to buy time for my Charizard. He uses Follow Me until the Charizard is ready to sweep. Then while the Charizard is sweeping he Thunder Waves and Air Slashes anything that isn't getting beat down by Charizard. It is especially effective considering the "Serene Grace" that the Togekiss has. Being paralyzed PLUS the increased chance of flinching from the Air Slash cripples them good. It seems like you want to block both physical and special attacks. Being able to use Follow Me definitely helps Charizard set up. I like that idea. The hard part is surviving, and the question is for how long? After using Follow Me, Togekiss may or may not survive both hits. You can potentially use Roost in place of Thunder Wave if you want it to last longer (the speed issue will be a problem though). You don't have to, of course. Once you use Follow Me, Charizard will be guaranteed to get a sub up. Your opponent will probably suspect the Bellyzard variation, so they might try to attack him before he uses Belly Drum. Sub will block one attack, but since this is doubles you're playing, the other might attack Zard after the first breaks the sub. So you have two options: take the time to Roost, T-Wave, attack, or use Follow Me again. Using Follow Me twice will be, most of the time, painful for Kiss. It really depends on which Pokemon they lead with (offense/ defense). If they start with defensive leads, you'll more than likely get to set up. With offense, there may be some problems setting up.  @Wise Glasses
EVs: 252 Speed 252 Special Attack 6 HP Nature: Modest Energy Ball Shadow Ball Thunderbolt Psychic/Confuse Ray/Sludge Bomb? A GREAT sweeper in my opinion with the wise glasses it seems like very few things can stand up to one hit. The EV spread looks good. The item, not so much. Wise Glasses only boost your special attacks by 10%, which is very small. You're better off going with Life Orb or Expert Belt if you want a boost. You'll want to use a Timid nature, so you can make sure that you're faster than those that have a lower base speed, but are using a speed boosting nature. In otherwords, give the slower guys absolutely no chance of outspeeding you. Besides, most other Gengars use Timid natures, so you won't have a chance of surpassing them. Plus, it allows you to hit Pokes that have higher base speed than Gengar, but aren't using speed boosting natures. Rule of thumb: most sweepers need and use all the speed they can get. Why? The more speed, the better. The exceptions are Pokes that set up, using speed boosting moves, or Pokes with Choice items, mainly Choice Scarfs. As for the moveset, Psychic covers about the same thing that Shadow Ball covers. Sludge Bomb and many poison attacks generally aren't worth it, because it is resisted by many types, is immune to steels (very common), and it only hits 1 type for SE damage. Grass isn't all too common since they die to everything so...Sludge Bomb is out of a job. Confuse Ray is a pretty decent annoyer attack, but it's better left to other pokes, like bulkier ones, since confusion doesn't guarantee them hitting themselves, so Gengar might die horribly. If you plan on using it anyways, you may as well go with a better statuser: Hypnosis. It pretty much guarantees a free hit, regardless of whether or not they switch next turn. Energy Ball is nice, being able to take care of Swampert and similar pokes, if they're a problem on your team, but Focus Blast is generally the superior option, since it hits dark types, like Weavile and Umbreon switch-ins, that resist Ghost assaults. It also hits normal types, ice types, steel types, and more. If you don't like Focus Blast's and Hypnosis's acc, then you can give it Wide Lens.  @Leftovers
EVs: 252 HP 128 Defense 128 Special Defense Nature: Impish Drill Peck Spikes Roost ? (not sure on this one...any suggestions would be appreciated) Brave Bird is another option instead if Drill Peck. Just saying if you weren't aware of it. Although I doubt you'd want to rebreed. Besides, the recoil is kinda iffy. Instead of Spikes, you can give it Stealth Rocks. Again, just a heads up. For the fourth slot, give it Roar or Whirlwind. Whirlwind is better because soundproof Pokemon are unaffected by Roar. Whirlwind is, and sounds cooler anyways.  I don't know what its ability is, but Keen Eye is better cuz OHKO moves are banned in competitive play, but Sand Attack isn't. Neither ability are that great though and won't be used often.  Shed Shell helps if you're afraid of Magnezone and pokes that will trap you (just go with leftovers).
Its special defense is junkish, so this spread should be better: 252 HP / 96 Atk / 156 Def / 6 Spe. @ Life Orb
Earthquake Dragon Claw Crunch Fire Fang? (Having some trouble with the last move) You're missing its spread and nature. I'm going to assume this is the spread: 6 HP/ 252 Atk/ 252 Spe. Nature should be Jolly, unless it's Choice Scarfed. Adamant is okay, but Jolly is better. Instead of Crunch, give it Swords Dance. Switch it in on something that you know they'd be forced to switch out. Swords Dance on the switch. Then sweep. Crunch is mainly useful for Cresselia, but otherwise it'd just be a neutral attack, which Dragon Claw does a better job at, since it gets STAB. Dragon Claw and Earthquake takes care of everything. Fire Fang takes care of levitating Bronzong and Skarmory. You can give it Leftovers or Yache Berry. Leftovers isn't too great. Yache is actually pretty useful, since so many teams pack Ice Beam to counter the dragon.  @Wise Glasses
EVs: 252 speed 252 Special Attack 6 HP Nature: Timid Shadow Ball Psychic ThunderBolt Tri Attack The Porygon-Z is the team member I have the most doubts about...some constructive criticism would be most appreciated here. Its ability should be Adaptability. The item could be Life Orb, Leftovers, or Focus Sash. Tri Attack is a must since it's its STAB move (Adaptability making STABs bigger). Nasty Plot definitely should be used, giving it a major boost. The third slot could go to Dark Pulse, so it could take out Ghosts, who is immune to Tri Attack. Ice Beam could go in the last slot. Thunderbolt could as well. IMO, Ice Beam>T-Bolt, cuz you already have a user with T-Bolt. Hyper Beam could go in the last slot as well, giving you a chance to take out a Blissey in one hit, assuming you're holding a Life Orb. It's very risky though, since even after you KO, you can't do anything next turn. Well, that's it...this is a team void of legendaries because my rival and I agreed that our next doubles battle would be legendary free. Any feedback would be appreciated, I understand the raters are kind of swamped, so whenever you get around to it is just fine  Your team overall doesn't look too bad. Lol, I keep forgetting this is for doubles. Mm, careful for electric attacks, cuz literally half of your team is weak to it. Garchomp's immunity will help out there. He's the only one who can do it. Electivire could be a problem. You know, Charizard might actually be useful with Jolly, if only to combat Electivire. ophiuchus wrote: Looks like Volke is having all the fun rating teams.  I'd love to post my new team but since there are alot of people who post, chances are is that my team might be ignored (not to mention that Volke is the most hardworking rater I'v ever seen. It's as if he's here everyday by demand. )
Keep up the good work Volke! Thanks, Ophiuchus. 
Roxas583 wrote: Plz rate my team for how good it would do in wifi battles also don't rate because of the natures mainly on movesets and chosen pokemon
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Hasty - Blaze (Don't know EVS) -Roost -Fly -Flare blitz -Overheat Avoid using multiple same type attacks on one Pokemon. Air Slash is a good alternative over Fly. Fly isn't favorable cuz it gives an enemy a turn to prepare. There are plenty of good items you could give it. I'm not sure exactly what you want to do with it though. Roost isn't so great on Char, cuz he's not exactly sturdy.  @ (No item yet)
Bashful - Bad Dreams (Don't know EVS) -Dream Eater -Dark Void -Dark Pulse -Nightmare It takes too many turns to use both Dream Eater and Nightmare. Opponents might switch out by then. Spacial Rend is fun and powerful. You can give it Focus Punch, Sub, Calm Mind, etc. Life Orb is a good item.  @ (No item yet)
Relaxed - Battle Armor (Don't know EVS) -Dark Pulse -Cross poison -Dig -Toxic Spikes Not sure what to do with him...since he has Sniper, you could take advantage of it by using high crit rate moves and Focus Energy. Not sure what he learns. Stat-up moves are good. Do you want him to be defensive or offensive?
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Modest - Intimidate (Dont know EVS) -Surf -Brine -Dragon Pulse -Earthquake Gyarados will forever be a physical attacker, cuz its special attack stat sucks. Give it an Adamant nature. Not sure what you want, but this could work: Gyara @ Leftovers Adamant - Intimidate -Dragon Dance -Waterfall -Ice Fang -Earthquake  @ (No item yet)
Bold - Mold Breaker (Don't know EVS) -Giga Impact -Endeavor -Head Smash -Avalanche Giga Impact and Hyper Beam-esque moves aren't the best options, cuz you can do more damage in two turns. You also give them a chance to set up or do whatever they want. Give it Earthquake, since it can hit Levitaters as well, thanks to Mold Breaker. As for its item, you can give it a Focus Sash, so it's guaranteed to hit at least once before dying. Yeah, Endeavor could work with FS. It's really slow and fragile, so it's hard to use this guy properly. If you could BP some speed, that would help. Adamant nature is the best. Jolly works too, but it won't help all that much. @ (No item yet)
Modest - Syncrhonize (Don't know EVS) -Shadow Ball -Reflect -Psychic -Trick Room Alakazam doesn't use Reflect too well, cuz it dies really fast. Trick Room would ruin him. It makes fast pokes slow, and slow pokes fast for a few turns. Alakazam is fast. -_- Focus Blast helps against darks. Energy Ball and Grass Knot are worth a thought. Calm Mind and Charge Beam helps him sweep better. Recover...bad...he's too fragile. Most sets use a Timid nature, but Modest works too. Edit by Roxas: i use trick room exactly for rampardos though Need suggestions on Alakazams moves If you don't play by EVs, then that's fine, but it makes it harder to rate, since things aren't as focused, and moves don't work as well as they should. For example, if my Scizor is a BPer, but I don't have/ hardly have any speed EVs then, after my agility, it won't be fast enough to BP correctly. Or if it has too much, then it'd be wasted. Let's say that Blissey needs to wall, but there are no EVs in any of its defensive stats, then it wouldn't wall as well. I can't give you good advice, cuz when you do a battle without EVs, everything is different. A Calm Mind or a Nasty Plot doesn't necessarily guarantee you anything. <-- Just one of many examples. That, and I don't know what you specifically want to do with it. I could go off listing movesets and stuff, but you may as well go to Smogon for that. In casual battles and in-game battles, pretty much anything works. As for your team as a whole, lots of offensive pokemon. It could be more or less be classified as fragile and most likely unstable. Then again, it depends on your opponent as well. I mean, I'm not saying that you can't win with it, just that...well, there isn't any clarity. Not sure how else to word that.
ATTENTION ClUeLeSs: Hopefully you'll see this...I agree with what Koipen said about Umbreon and Gyarados. Gyarados doesn't need max speed. Maxing it doesn't necessarily give him any advantages that 184 EVs give you. Besides, the HP could help him buffer blows when he Dragon Dances. As for Bliss, I prefer T-Wave, but Toxic works too. I'm not sure, but maybe you can try simply dumping all of the EVs into Def and HP, with the remaining 6 invested in SpDef. If you go with Gengar, then Koipen's is good. You can switch Life Orb with Wide Lens if you don't like the accuracy of Focus Blast and Hypnosis. Gengar is the better option, but if you want Zam, then this should do: Alakazam @ Life Orb Timid, Synchronize/ EVs: 252 SpA/ 6 SpD/ 252 Spe Moveset: -Shadow Ball -Psychic -Focus Blast -Calm Mind/ Charge Beam You can try other sets, like Choice or Focus Sash w/ Counter, etc. *gasp, gasp* Finished 2 or 3...a legion more to go...yeah, that's right, keep it coming.  Whew, that's all I'm doing for today.
Edit: After going back and skimming over the posts, that should be almost, if not all of them covered. I'll *try* to get to the others tomorrow. Edit 2: Minor update for Clueless. _________________  ^Made by Froggy_00 plz visit his shop at the Sunyshore Market #1 Gardevoir Fan |
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Pokemon Trainer   Joined: Mon Jun 23, 2008 6:23 pm Posts: 42
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Let's cheer for the newest "Official-Rater": Go Bushin! Go Bushin! Go Bushin! Go Bushin!
Congratulations to Bushin, the NEWEST Official-Rater! (I always knew you'd make it as one). Ahem... Now back to business. I'm putting this because I don't want 2 Rock-type pokemon in my up-comming team. VS  ?
Facts: 1) has one of the highest Atk power in the whole game and is definitely higher than .
2) has more defense power than .
3) is used ALOT by trainers, including me.
So: which one is really more usefull between the two? P.S. this is a question and certainly not rating, so everyone may give their opinions to this question. _________________   |
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Pokemon Ranger  Joined: Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:25 am Posts: 627 Location: Singapore
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ophiuchus wrote: Let's cheer for the newest "Official-Rater": Go Bushin! Go Bushin! Go Bushin! Go Bushin!
Congratulations to Bushin, the NEWEST Official-Rater! (I always knew you'd make it as one). Ahem... Now back to business. I'm putting this because I don't want 2 Rock-type pokemon in my up-comming team. VS ?
Facts: 1) has one of the highest Atk power in the whole game and is definitely higher than .
2) has more defense power than .
3) is used ALOT by trainers, including me.
So: which one is really more usefull between the two? P.S. this is a question and certainly not rating, so everyone may give their opinions to this question. This is obvious. Tyranitar of course. It has high Defense to begin with, along with 300+ Sp. Def thanks to Sandstream. Tyranitar easily beats Rampardos's attack after 1 Dragon Dance, it's deadly.... Talking about why Tyranitar is stronger doesn't seem enough. So I'll talk about why Rampardos is Weaker. Rampardos has like half the Defenses of Tyranitar, which also translates into pathetic endurance. All it takes is a Stabbed move to KO it. On top of that, unlike Tyranitar who Compensates its slow speed with Dragon Dance which actually turns Tyranitar into a fast Pokemon, Rampardos has pathetic Speed. This means that any Pokemon who's Faster can easily take Rampardos out if they can do enough damage etc. High attack must match up with Endurance and/or Speed, otherwise, it's as good as having nothing. 
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Ace Trainer   Joined: Mon Sep 24, 2007 9:01 am Posts: 274
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Bushin wrote: Registeel_Rocks wrote: Due to the recent surge of requests for stuff here, I decided another official rater was needed. I chose a candidate and PM'd him with the offer, which he accepted.
Welcome to our new Official Rater, Bushin. Oh yeah, an update on changes I had been planning... I'm guessing I pretty much have free reign over BT now, seeing as FireStarter didn't care to reply (I don't blame him x_x) and tiger10x is... tiger10x. You all may see some sudden, possibly drastic changes around here in a bit, so bear with me. Thanks! I will do my best! Matrix35 wrote: How bout:
@ Focus Sash Naughty
252 spd 252 atk 6 hp Aerial Ace Protect Baton Pass Swords Dance I use protect to up speed... Baton Passer Standard.No comments on this one. Actually Jolly would be best. @ Leftovers Sassy
Not sure bout EVs but atk is high, def, sp def, and spd is balanced Surf Flamethrower Earthquake Dragon Claw Mixed sweeper Hmm, you might want to make him a physical sweeper,use a Jolly nature, put Sword Dance and Fire Blast over Flamethrower and Surf. With Fire Blast he has a better chance of killing Skarmories that might come to spoil your sweeping... You can try Fire fang over Blast, because with Jolly and SD, it does nearly the same damage, and damages Zong better. @ Leftovers Calm
Balanced atk, sp atk, def, sp def EV's Stealth Rock Meteor Mash Stealth Rock Shadow Ball Psychic Mixed Sweeper Metagross is even weaker than garchomp on the special side...The standard set for Metagross is this: @Leftovers/Choice Band
Nature:Adamant EVs: Hp:150 Attack:252 Speed:108 -Meteor Mash -Earthquake -Agility/Bullet Punch -Zen Headbutt/Ice Punch/Thunderpunch/Explosion Good. Might want Thunderpunch to option for the third slot. @ Focus sash Rash
high sp atk and speed Thunder Wave Psychic Energy Ball Shadow Ball Special Sweeper Use a Timid nature,Max Sp.Att and Speed,switch Thunder Wave by Calm Mind and you're good to go. Zam has so low defenses, that he can't use CM effectively. Life Orb to item, and if you can, HP Fighting in place of Thunder Wave. Otherwise Focus Blast. @ Rose Insence Impish
def, atk, spd Last Resort Grasswhistle Sunny Day Leaf Blade Lol I use Ninjask then Leafeon so I think its a Physical sweeper Leafeon has a nice attack but lacks speed and a good moveset to abuse it...If you really want to use him,the best moveset i could think was this: @Leftovers
Nature:Adamant Evs:Attack & Speed:252 -Bite -X-Scissors -Leaf Blade -Aerial Ace But if you want my opinion,a works better...
Agree. @ Muscle Band Sassy
atk, def, and sp def Thunder punch Fire Punch Ice Punch Shadow Punch Physical Sweeper You're lacking a good wall on this team and Dusknoir is the a good one.Use this set: @Leftovers
Nature:Impish Evs:HP:252 Attack:4 S.Def:252 -Shadow Sneak -Ice Punch -Will-o-Wisp -Pain Split No comments. Ice punch because you don't have any other ice moves,shadow sneak to make up for it's low speed,W-o-W Lowers enemy attack + some damage and Pain Split for some healing. I know the natures are out of hand n stuff If you want to battle competitively,you need to make good use of the natures or you gonna have a huge handicap against your opponents,for example:If you fight a garchomp using your own garchomp you will always lose because yours is slower.Your team is too much based on physical sweeping and you have a serious unbalance on your defenses...I suggest switching one or two physical sweepers for some Walls. Tyranitar vs. Rampardos: Tyranitar for sure. First fact: Movepool. Tyranitar has one of the best physical movepools in game. It has Dragon dance to boost it too. It also has awesome special movepool, having all beams and decent special attack. Second fact: Defenses. Tyranitar has Decent defense, good Special defense in Sandstorm, and good Hp. That's how he can take those 2 turns with Dragon dance easily. Third fact: Speed. Tyranitar has Dragon dance and base 60 speed (70), While Rampardos has 30 (40) base. Rampardos has Rock Polish + Sash combo, and Tyranitar Dragon dance. This goes to tie. Altough double stat boost in one move is very handy. Rampardos can Focus Sash and Rock Polish, but Tyranitar can boost it attack to massive. Mold breaker is better tough in Rampardos. Choose what you wan't, but T-tar is better. _________________  By St. Jimmy. If you have any problems with breeding, Egg moves, IV:s or EV:s, you can ask me. Feel free to ask other things related to competive battling. |
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Pokemon Ranger Joined: Mon Aug 14, 2006 9:39 am Posts: 689 Location: Brazil-Minas Gerais
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ophiuchus wrote: Let's cheer for the newest "Official-Rater": Go Bushin! Go Bushin! Go Bushin! Go Bushin!
Congratulations to Bushin, the NEWEST Official-Rater! (I always knew you'd make it as one). Ahem... Now back to business. I'm putting this because I don't want 2 Rock-type pokemon in my up-comming team. VS ?
Facts: 1) has one of the highest Atk power in the whole game and is definitely higher than .
2) has more defense power than .
3) is used ALOT by trainers, including me.
So: which one is really more usefull between the two? P.S. this is a question and certainly not rating, so everyone may give their opinions to this question. Thanks... I think you gonna make me cry( )...
Now back to business... I agree with Sapphirath about T-tar being better. But Rampardos has some good Points too... He can do a Focus Sash/Endeavor combination if you want to have some laughs against cresselia or other pesky Walls. His speed problem can be solved with Rock Polish ,but First priority still gonna hurt since his Rock Type has many weakness (Mach Punch,Vacuum Wave,Bullet Punch).Rampardos also lacks a second type,so he have less resistances and lacks a secondary STAB. One thing about Tyranitar that you should know,if you gonna use it,make sure that most of your team is immune to Sandstorm or you will have a huge disadvantage,since you gonna lose Leftovers Recovery. _________________ Get your custom sprites,avatars and signatures at Froggy's Lilypad! My Youtube Channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/Bushin22 Watch,Comment,Rate and Enjoy! ^_^x *Currently BUSY with real life,so i might take a while to respond messages or RMTs... Sorry,I might be back someday...* |
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Ace Trainer Joined: Wed Jun 07, 2006 11:20 am Posts: 274
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My team is as follows;
Kangaskhan female Ability: Scrappy Held item: leftovers Nature: Brave Substitute Focus punch Mega punch Double edge My fave pokemon plus its got a good attack stat + witch scrappy with STAB comes more in handy Empoleon male Ability: torrent Held item: zoom lense Nature: Quiet Hydro Cannon Drill peck Flash cannon Surf Starter pokemon ; also teams up well with tryanitar Charizard female Ability: blaze Held item: scope lense Nature: Brave Flare blitz Dragon dance fly Dragon Claw A flying type wih the best range of moves (in my opinion) also good attack Tryanitar male Ability: sand stream Held item: hard stone Nature: Sassy Stone edge crunch Earthquake Shadow claw teams up well with empoleon ; also good range of attacks froslass female Ability: snow cloak Held item: icy rock Nature: calm Hail Blizzard Shadow ball Confuse ray As all the legends are now dragons ice helps alot+ hail blizzard is a good combo especialy with the ability Gallade male Ability: steadfast Held item: expert belt Nature: Lonley Close combat Psychic Psycho cut Leaf blade a fighting type that is good agaisnt other types Now i dont know if those pokemon were good choices so ive also got two well trained backup pokemon that the rater can switch for Giratina Ability: pressure Nature: Modest Item held: Yache berry Draco Meteor Dragon pulse Shadow claw Aura sphere Awsome what more can i say? Dialga: Ability: Pressure Nature: Quirky Item Held: Adamant orb Roar of time Flash Cannon Aura sphere Dragon claw not tied down with the normal dragon weeknesses _________________ ERROR |
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Pokemon Ranger Joined: Mon Aug 14, 2006 9:39 am Posts: 689 Location: Brazil-Minas Gerais
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Mitch The Dragon Tamer wrote: My team is as follows;
Kangaskhan female Ability: Scrappy Held item: leftovers Nature: Brave Substitute Focus punch Mega punch Double edge My fave pokemon plus its got a good attack stat + witch scrappy with STAB comes more in handy Brave nature is bad for Khan because she have a nice speed. For stabed attack use Return, and Sucker Punch is evil with substitute,because it forces your oponents to attack fearing a Focus Punch. For Evs,you might want enough to do 101 Substitutes(404) and lot's of attack,the rest can be put on speed. Empoleon male Ability: torrent Held item: zoom lense Nature: Quiet Hydro Cannon Drill peck Flash cannon Surf Starter pokemon ; also teams up well with tryanitar Modest Nature,use Surf/Ice Beam/Grass Knot/Protect,Evs:Hp:252 and Sp.Attack:252 and you're good to go. Charizard female Ability: blaze Held item: scope lense Nature: Brave Flare blitz Dragon dance fly Dragon Claw A flying type wih the best range of moves (in my opinion) also good attack If you want to use a physical Charizard you can have better results with a BellyZard. Since the you max your attack faster. @Salac Berry
Nature:Jolly EVs: 252 Atk & Spd, 4HP. Be SURE that your Charizard's Hp is divisible by 4. -Fire Punch/Fire Fang -Earthquake -Substitute -Belly Drum The trick here is to send Bellyzard out one someone whom you suspect will switch, Sub, Belly Drum, Activate Salac berry at 1/4 Hp and start owning. Don't forget that Sandstorm and Hail you ruins him completely... Tryanitar male Ability: sand stream Held item: hard stone Nature: Sassy Stone edge crunch Earthquake Shadow claw teams up well with empoleon ; also good range of attacks Your moveset of Tyranitar has a few problems...Shadow Claw is redudant with Crunch.youdon't really needs a hard rock and his nature is bad.you might want to use a Adamant nature,Dragon Dance instead of Shadow Claw. froslass female Ability: snow cloak Held item: icy rock Nature: calm Hail Blizzard Shadow ball Confuse ray As all the legends are now dragons ice helps alot+ hail blizzard is a good combo especialy with the ability Using to much weather changes is not a good thing...you could go for a more direct moveset since Froslass don't have a good defense and hardly can set up a hail...you could go for a sweeping set with Ice Beam/Thunderbolt/Shadow Ball/Destiny Bond with a Timid nature and a life orb ...so you can take down at least one pokémon down with you. Gallade male Ability: steadfast Held item: expert belt Nature: Lonley Close combat Psychic Psycho cut Leaf blade a fighting type that is good agaisnt other types Adamant nature,Stone Edge over Leaf Blade and Shadow Sneak over psychic and you're good to go. Now i dont know if those pokemon were good choices so ive also got two well trained backup pokemon that the rater can switch for Giratina Ability: pressure Nature: Modest Item held: Yache berry Draco Meteor Dragon pulse Shadow claw Aura sphere Awsome what more can i say? Dialga: Ability: Pressure Nature: Quirky Item Held: Adamant orb Roar of time Flash Cannon Aura sphere Dragon claw not tied down with the normal dragon weeknesses I'm not sure about those two...I don't play to much on ubers metagame... Overall,You have a little problem with teamwork...as i can see,Tyranitar and Froslass mess up your team with their weather changes,especialy charizard that will have his sweeping potential minimized by this residual damage and the lack of a Rapid Spinner on your team to get ride of Stealth Rocks...Getting a Spinner/Wall immune to Sandstorm would be a good start. _________________ Get your custom sprites,avatars and signatures at Froggy's Lilypad! My Youtube Channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/Bushin22 Watch,Comment,Rate and Enjoy! ^_^x *Currently BUSY with real life,so i might take a while to respond messages or RMTs... Sorry,I might be back someday...* Last edited by Bushin on Sun Jul 27, 2008 9:47 am, edited 1 time in total. |
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Pokemon Trainer  Joined: Sun Aug 05, 2007 5:50 am Posts: 40 Location: N da Land trainin
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Its been a min bt Im Bak
Fresh Team @Leftovers
Pressure Impish Curse Pain Spilt Ice Punch Shadow Punch  dnt kno
Modest Surf Ice Beam Aqua Ring Mirror Move Yache Berry
Jolly EQ Fire Fang Dragon Claw Sword Dance  Life Orb
Jolly Ice Punch Thunder Punch EQ Brick Break chople berry
Adamant Avalanche Stone Edge Crunch Dragon Dance king rock
Modest Air slash shadow ball aura shpere Flamethrower Rate em 4 comp battles I makin a new team on da low _________________ <center><img src="images/trainercards/da_best.png"></center>  |
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Pokemon Ranger Joined: Mon Aug 14, 2006 9:39 am Posts: 689 Location: Brazil-Minas Gerais
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Da best wrote: Its been a min bt Im Bak
Fresh Team @Leftovers
Pressure Impish Curse Pain Spilt Ice Punch Shadow Punch Looks good.Put Will-O-Wisp instead of curse,because Dusk has a low hp so he can't make good use of curse,since the foe can simple switch out to make your curse useless... dnt kno
Modest Surf Ice Beam Aqua Ring Mirror Move Leftovers as item and switch Aqua Ring and Mirror move for Recover and Hypnosis Yache Berry
Jolly EQ Fire Fang Dragon Claw Sword Dance Hmm...Standard, no comments here. Life Orb
Jolly Ice Punch Thunder Punch EQ Brick Break You could switch BB for Low Kick or Cross Chop,but Brick Break is good too. chople berry
Adamant Avalanche Stone Edge Crunch Dragon Dance Avalanche fits better slower and bulkier pokémon like a swampert for example... Put Earthquake so he can get a more reliable and powerfull move. Chople is a interesting choice for T-tar... but it's a one-time offer, you could use a Leftovers too, since T-Tar has way more weakness than Fighting... Well, your choice... king rock
Modest Air slash shadow ball aura shpere Flamethrower Thunder Wave and Roost instead of Flamethrower and Shadow Ball, so he can have a nice 30% of Paralize Hax to his foes + Opponents Speed cut to half with TW and gaining the ability of Stalling with Roost. Use a Leftovers as item,King's Rock is not so useful in togekiss since he already has a nice chance of flinching with Air Slash, the recovery is more reliable. Rate em 4 comp battles I makin a new team on da low Not bad for a first team.Nice combination of Offense and Defense and the typings of team has few shared weakness, but you didn't posted the EV Spreads,some movesets need some work and you have a nasty weakness to Gengar... Well, not bad but could be better. _________________ Get your custom sprites,avatars and signatures at Froggy's Lilypad! My Youtube Channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/Bushin22 Watch,Comment,Rate and Enjoy! ^_^x *Currently BUSY with real life,so i might take a while to respond messages or RMTs... Sorry,I might be back someday...* |
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Ace Trainer Joined: Mon Sep 24, 2007 9:01 am Posts: 274
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Noir: Fire punch to Shadow punch, and W-O-W to Curse.
Lotic: Same as above, Aqua ring and M-Move to Cover and Nosis. Chomp: Standard. Good. You can switch Yache for Life Orb, but Yache is good too. Vire: Maybe Cross Chop over Brick break. But still good. T-Tar: EQ for Avalanche, item To Life Orb, but good. Kiss: Agree with Bush, but maybe Thunder Wave to Body Slam, as 60 % Para is nice, and it his Garchomp and Gliscor. (Altough you lose to Gengar) _________________ By St. Jimmy. If you have any problems with breeding, Egg moves, IV:s or EV:s, you can ask me. Feel free to ask other things related to competive battling. |
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Ace Trainer  Joined: Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:08 pm Posts: 451 Location: Suwanee, GA, USA
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Roxas: The problem with using Trick Room on Alakazam is he's fast and there'd be no point for him to use Trick Room, even if it's just to help out Rampardos. You're not using him to his full potential then, cuz what are you going to do after you use Trick Room (assuming Zam does survive)? He's too slow now to do anything, and you'd just have to let him die, or switch out. If you switch out, Rampardos might not survive coming in. The whole point of Alakazam is to hit fast and hard, and make sure that he takes out other Pokemon before they can even touch him.
That's a good idea with Trick Room, but give it to someone bulky and slow like Exeggutor or Bronzong. That, and you need to build your whole team around Trick Room if you want it to work effectively. Whoa, so much has happened in my absence (which hasn't been too long). Tyranitar>Rampardos. I'm not saying Rampy can't work, just T-Tar is flat-out better. Da best wrote: dnt kno
Modest Surf Ice Beam Aqua Ring Mirror Move Leftovers as an item. You could try the Sleep Talk set, giving it Rest and Sleep Talk instead of Aqua Ring and Mirror Move. Milotic can't learn Mirror Move...or did you mean Mirror Coat? Modest is a fine nature to go with for a sleep talker. The idea is to activate Marvel Scale when you're asleep, and Sleep Talk makes it so that you're not completely helpless. king rock
Modest Air slash shadow ball aura shpere Flamethrower What is its ability? Serene Grace or Hustle? Rate em 4 comp battles I makin a new team on da low Koipen and Bushin already addressed the issues with the others. _________________  AIM: Fausch 3173 Courtesy of Afonso! ^_^ Time Zone: UTC -4 (EDT) Record: W:66 L:24 Vs. Will: W:18 L:2 I'm always up for a battle! Sorry guys, I've been busy lately. |
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Pokemon Master   Joined: Sun Jan 13, 2008 5:02 am Posts: 1577 Location: Michigan
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I gots skipped...
Though I'm quite glad to hear about registeel-rock's plans for the Rating center. And congrats Volke and Bushin
At a glance:      
Sashimi Kingdra Modest @ Haban berry. Swift swim 140 HP, 252 S.ATK, 116 SPEED -Ice Beam -Yawn -Surf -Rain dance Lead. Yawn if the opposing lead is likey to setup. throw Rain dance up on the turn they switch/get knocked asleep. and beat down owith surf, namely Bronzong, Sandstreamers and dragons. Yawn also act as a lure to bring dragons types to my Ice beam, The berry allows him to live through at least 1 dragon attack where he can counter w/ Ice beam and KO them or KO them before they can launch a 2nd dragon attack. Water types can wall him but yawn can phaze them out as well.
Anise Mismagius Modest @ Focus sash. Levitate 52 HP, 200 DEF, 152 S.ATK, 104 SPEED -Skill Swap -Pain Split -Shadow Ball -Hidden Power (Fighting) 55-56 Base Power Annoyer and part spec. sweeper , Skill swap is usually not greatly useful but can throw back a intimidate, Type absorbs, speed boost, Tokekiss's grace, Blissey's Natural cure, Swift Swim and Sand veil (Against Weather teams). Ghost/Fight holds no resistances so she can deal decent damage to all but Normal/Flying, Skarms and S.walls. Can effectively stall out most blisseys.
The Chef Alakazam Timid @ Life Orb. Inner focus 252 S.ATK, 220 SPEED, 38 HP -Psychic -Shadow ball -Focus Blast -Substitute To me this Alakazam doesn't have HP, it has a countdown meter. XD Use sub if the opponent is likely to switch out or to scout. Sub also blocks sucker punch users that totally counter her. Also since sub walls status I took inner focus to prevent fake out flinch. Works best in 3 vs. 3 but even on 6 vs. 6 with weather and rocks/spikes in play she can sweep up quite well.
Caramel Muk Brave @ Black Sludge. Sticky Hold 172 HP 168 ATK, 168 S.DEF -Curse -Shadow Sneak -Poison Jab -Brick Break Cursewall, Skill swaping in double battle w/ mismagius's Levitate remove his ground weakness. Shadow sneak works great as an unexpected finishing move after cursing and attacking as well as after a curse Shadow sneak can near KO to OHKO a Gengar/Alakazam.
Sage (goes in every field) Hitmonchan Adamant @ Expert Belt. Iron fist 252 ATK, 200 HP, 56DEF -Ice Punch -Thunder Punch -Close Combat -Agility Agility then CC or Thunder/Ice punch is they resist fight or are 2x or 4x weak.(Yes I'm aware STAB CC does the same as a 2x boosted punch, but the punches can give status and don't drop his Def's) 30 S.def IV on top of 110 base allows him to soak a special attack or non-stab psychic. Grand type coverage but can be walled by forretress, shedinja and some scizor. Fun fact: CC can OHKO Diagla.
Yogurt Miltank Serious (Chosen due to near flawless IV's) @ Thick Fat. Leftovers 252 HP, 204 S.DEF, 52 ATK, -Earthquake -Toxic -Rock Slide -Milk Drink Mil-Tank. Toxic takes down walls and can stall with rock slide/milk drink. Being normal type allows me to Switch into Ghost attacks used on my Alakazam and Mismagius. Thick fat also allows him to switch in to fire/Ice safely as well as hit 2x effective back to those types. Lacks STAB but ground/rock holds good coverage as well as my answer to electrics. Note: Edited after rate since I like to keep a log of my team somewhere. Last edited by MasonTheChef on Sun Aug 31, 2008 6:02 pm, edited 6 times in total. |
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Pokemon Trainer Joined: Sun Aug 05, 2007 5:50 am Posts: 40 Location: N da Land trainin
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Bushin wrote: Da best wrote: Its been a min bt Im Bak
Fresh Team Iight thanx 4 da help cuz I bout 2 get mah pokemon dp bak 2 get ready 4 Platium @Leftovers
Pressure Impish Will-o-wisp Pain Spilt Ice Punch Shadow Punch Looks good.Put Will-O-Wisp instead of curse,because Dusk has a low hp so he can't make good use of curse,since the foe can simple switch out to make your curse useless... @LeftOvers
Modest Surf Ice Beam Hypnosis Recover Leftovers as item and switch Aqua Ring and Mirror move for Recover and Hypnosis Yache Berry
Jolly EQ Fire Fang Dragon Claw Sword Dance Hmm...Standard, no comments here. Life Orb
Jolly Ice Punch Thunder Punch EQ Cross Chop You could switch BB for Low Kick or Cross Chop,but Brick Break is good too. chople berry
Adamant Avalanche Stone Edge Crunch Dragon Dance Avalanche fits better slower and bulkier pokémon like a swampert for example... Put Earthquake so he can get a more reliable and powerfull move. Chople is a interesting choice for T-tar... but it's a one-time offer, you could use a Leftovers too, since T-Tar has way more weakness than Fighting... Well, your choice... Or Maybe 
Soild Rock Adamant Avalanche EQ Stone Edge king rock
Modest Air slash shadow ball aura shpere Flamethrower Thunder Wave and Roost instead of Flamethrower and Shadow Ball, so he can have a nice 30% of Paralize Hax to his foes + Opponents Speed cut to half with TW and gaining the ability of Stalling with Roost. Use a Leftovers as item,King's Rock is not so useful in togekiss since he already has a nice chance of flinching with Air Slash, the recovery is more reliable. Or Maybe  4 dem Gengars ya'll talkin about
Jolly Ice Punch Night Slash Brick Break/Aerial Ace ??? Rate em 4 comp battles I makin a new team on da low Not bad for a first team.Nice combination of Offense and Defense and the typings of team has few shared weakness, but you didn't posted the EV Spreads,some movesets need some work and you have a nasty weakness to Gengar... Well, not bad but could be better. _________________ <center><img src="images/trainercards/da_best.png"></center> |
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Pokemon Trainer  Joined: Sun Jul 27, 2008 6:06 pm Posts: 48
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Blissey
Calm@lefties 252 hp 252 sdef[switch to skarmory for def] 6 def softboiled aromatherapy thunder wave seismic toss Skarmory 252 hp 252def 6 spd impish@lefties stealth rock agility/rest roar drill peck Heracross admant@leftovers 252atk 252 spd forgot the rest bulk up brick break rockslide[for flying/fire megahorn Claydol [recommend nature]@light clay reflect light screen cosmic power rapid spin[ninjask'd SD baton pass]/quake Ninjask Adamant@brightpowder sword dance protect/substitute batonpass double team[to last long for more buffs]/silver wind [recommend special sweeper, preferably non-psychic;but w.e] |
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Psychic Trainer Joined: Mon Jun 30, 2008 1:54 am Posts: 81 Location: Malaysia
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I want a powerful tanker in my team but i can't choose between these 2 so i would like the raters to help me choose. If the moveset aren't good tell me what moves should i change. That's all thanks.
Blissey@Life Orb Ability:Serene Grace Nature:Relaxed EV: 252DEF 129SP.ATK 129SP.DEF Softboiled Double Team Thunderbolt Water Pulse Snorlax@leftovers Ability:thick fat Nature:relaxed EV:250DEF 160SP.DEF 100ATK Stockpile Swallow Zen Headbutt Body slam |
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Ace Trainer Joined: Mon Sep 24, 2007 9:01 am Posts: 274
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Blissey if you want all out wall. Snorlax if you want attacking Tank. These sets:
Blissey @ Lefties Calm | Natural cure 252 Def 40 SpAtt 216 SpDef -Aromatheraphy -Softboiled -Ice beam -Thunder Wave / Toxic Cleric. I would use Toxic. Lax @ Lefties Careful | Thick Fat 168 Hp 120 Def 220 SpDef -Curse -Return / Body Slam -EQ / Crunch / Fire Punch -Rest Decide the attacks by that way, that think which pokemon has more problems. If Abomasnow is too hard to take down, use F-Punch, if Hetran, EQ. _________________ By St. Jimmy. If you have any problems with breeding, Egg moves, IV:s or EV:s, you can ask me. Feel free to ask other things related to competive battling. |
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Pokemon Trainer Joined: Mon Jun 23, 2008 6:23 pm Posts: 42
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To Sapphirath, koipen, and Bushin: Many thanks to all of you! Now I'll put
in my team w/o worries._________________ Last edited by ophiuchus on Mon Jul 28, 2008 6:49 am, edited 1 time in total. |
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Pokemon Ranger Joined: Mon Aug 14, 2006 9:39 am Posts: 689 Location: Brazil-Minas Gerais
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MasterChef wrote: I gots skipped...
Ops...Sorry! Maybe it was because your team was good enough...
Though I'm quite glad to hear about registeel-rock's plans for the Rating center. And congrats Volke and Bushin
Thanks! Now to business.... 
Anise Mismagius Modest @ Wise Glasses. Levitate 52 HP, 200 DEF, 152 S.ATK, 104 SPEED -Skill Swap -Pain Split -Shadow Ball -Hidden Power (Fighting) 55-56 Base Power Lead, Skill swap is usually not greatly useful but can throw back a intimidate, Type absorbs or steal speed boost, then later in the game grab Serene grace Swift Swim or Sand veil (Against Weather teams). Ghost/Fight holds no resistances so she can deal decent damage to all but Normal/Flying, Skarms and S.walls. Just be careful about pokémon that carries Taunt and Gengar Leads.
The Chef Alakazam Modest @ Life Orb(Salac berry). Synchronize 252 S.ATK, 200 SPEED, 58 HP -Psychic -Shadow ball -Focus Blast -Substitute Special Sweeper, bring him in and Sub on an expected switch then sweep. I'm thinking of giving him a salac berry to sub down to so he can get choice scarfers and weavile. Once again Ghost/Fight holds no resistances and Psychic is STAB. Nice, but in my opinion don't use substitute with life orb, or Zam isn't gonna last for long, especially with all those residual damage that we always see on OU, Stealth Rock,Sandstorm...I think Calm mind is better if you can predict a Switch... I know that you're already faster than a Garchomp ,but Infernape and anything faster is a danger to you... So i suggest a Timid Nature...Since you're quite strong and are packing a Life Orb. 
Caramel Muk Brave @ Black Sludge. Sticky Hold 52 HP 252 ATK, 200 DEF -Curse -Shadow Sneak -Poison Jab -Brick Break Cursewall, Skill swaping in double battle w/ mismagius's Levitate can be quite helpful. Shadow sneak works great as an unexpected finishing move after cursing and attacking as well as after a curse Shadow sneak can near KO to OHKO a Gengar/Alakazam. Nice set, but since you're Cursing anyway why don't move some of those Attack & Defense EVs to HP and Sp.Defense? Just thought, this one is fine anyway... 
Plum Kingdra Calm @ Scope Lens. Sniper 252 HP, 200 S.ATK, 52 ATK -Ice Beam -Dragon Pulse -Waterfall -Dragon dance A somewhat bulkier Kingdra set, made to take a hit to get dragon dance in then mix-sweep. gets a 12.5% crit rate with the scope lens which will KO most opponents. Waterfall-flinch is quite nice after Dragon dance. I don't think that a Calm nature would be the best for this set...you have about 240 attack and about 200 Speed,right? I think it would be better to breed him/her for a better nature and getting a Focus Energy somewhere there... 
Sage (goes in every field) Hitmonchan Adamant @ Muscle band. Iron fist 252 ATK, 200 HP, 56DEF -Ice Punch -Fire Punch/Thunder Punch -Close Combat -Agility Agility then CC or Fire/Ice is they resist fight or are 2x or 4x weak.(Yes I'm aware STAB CC does the same as a 2x boosted punch, but the punches can give status and don't drop his Def's) Open to Starmie but can take down Scizor, Fortress, and the typical dragons. 30 S.def IV on top of 110 base allows him to soak a special attack or non-stab psychic. Thunder punch will allow him to take out all the popular dual water threats that otherwise resist him, so I have some trouble choosing which punch to use. Not much to say here...Except getting some speed EVs to getting to 210, so you can make best use of agility and maybe a Life Orb as a Item... 
Yogurt Miltank Serious (Chosen due to near flawless IV's) @ Thick Fat. Leftovers 252 HP, 204 S.DEF, 52 ATK, -Body Slam -T-wave -Rock Slide -Heal Bell/Milk Drink Mil-Tank/Para Flinch abuser. Being normal type allows me to Switch into Ghost attacks used on my Alakazam and Mismagius. Thick fat also allows him to switch in to fire/Ice safely. I'm debating if I should go with Heal Bell for team support or Milk drink to keep him in play longer. Maybe another nature,but if you're ok with this one... Thanks ^^ You're welcome! ^_^ I hope it helps... Heracrossfan1337 wrote: Blissey Calm@lefties 252 hp 252 sdef[switch to skarmory for def] 6 def softboiled aromatherapy thunder wave seismic toss Standard, not much to comment here. Skarmory 252 hp 252def 6 spd impish@lefties stealth rock agility/rest roar drill peck Roost over Agility/Rest Heracross adamant@leftovers 252atk 252 spd forgot the rest bulk up brick break rockslide[for flying/fire megahorn If your ability is Guts, you can use a Flame Orb as item that together with the Baton Pass from ninjask will hurt a lot; If your ability is swarm, keep the lefties...as for moveset use Close Combat and Stone Edge over Brick Break and Rock Slide,and maybe a Jolly nature would be better. Claydol [recommend nature]@light clay reflect light screen cosmic power rapid spin[ninjask'd SD baton pass]/quake Seeing your team has few ice moves and your needing a R-Spinner...  @Light Clay
Nature:Bold HP:252 Def:144 Sp.Att:114 Levitate -Ice Beam -Earth Power -Rapid Spin -Reflect /Light Screen Ninjask Adamant@brightpowder sword dance protect/substitute batonpass double team[to last long for more buffs]/silver wind Most people on competitive battles play by Evasion Clause,so using DT and other moves are forbidden most of the time,and it's not likely to work anyway.But it's easy to fix that,switch Brightpower for Focus Sash and Double Team for X-Scissor / Aerial Ace. [recommend special sweeper, preferably non-psychic;but w.e] Ok...I will suggest some: @Wide Lens/Focus Sash
Timid Evs:Sp.Att & Speed Max -Shadow Ball -Focus Blast -Thunderbolt -Hidden Power [Ice/Grass/Fire] / Hypnosis @Choice Scarf
Modest Evs:Sp.Att & Speed Max Ability:Download -Tri-Attack -Shadow Ball -Thunderbolt -Ice Beam  @Choice Specs
Modest Evs:Sp.Att & Speed Max Ability:Inner Focus -Aura Sphere -Shadow Ball -Dragon Pulse/Hidden Power[Ice] -Vacuum Wave Your team is too much based on Defense...having some wall is always nice,but if you don't have a good reliable sweeper you will be facing hours long matches, BulkyRados and T-Tar are dangerous threats to your team since you don't have a counter for they. _________________ Get your custom sprites,avatars and signatures at Froggy's Lilypad! My Youtube Channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/Bushin22 Watch,Comment,Rate and Enjoy! ^_^x *Currently BUSY with real life,so i might take a while to respond messages or RMTs... Sorry,I might be back someday...* |
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Pokemon Master Joined: Sun Jan 13, 2008 5:02 am Posts: 1577 Location: Michigan
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Bushin wrote: MasterChef wrote: Insert team rate here @ Kingdra. 199 atk and 204 speed. What nature would you suggest? Modest was what I aimed for but got a calm with great IVs. Also w/ calm he can take a dragon pulse better. I ran with focus energy for a while but in the end it just wasn't worth the turn to use it. I honestly question if scope lens and focus energy stack >.>
@ Muk. hmmm.. I'll mess with some calculators and see if I put into HP and S.DEF if she'll survive a Psychic from Gengar or Starmie. If so can you move EVs in D/P at lv100 via box trick? or was that older versions? Thanks for the advice |
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Pokemon Ranger Joined: Mon Aug 14, 2006 9:39 am Posts: 689 Location: Brazil-Minas Gerais
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MasterChef wrote: Bushin wrote: MasterChef wrote: Insert team rate here @ Kingdra. 199 atk and 204 speed. What nature would you suggest? Modest was what I aimed for but got a calm with great IVs. Also w/ calm he can take a dragon pulse better. I ran with focus energy for a while but in the end it just wasn't worth the turn to use it. I honestly question if scope lens and focus energy stack >.>
I think Mild or Rash would be good if you want a Mix-Sniper Kingdra... @ Muk. hmmm.. I'll mess with some calculators and see if I put into HP and S.DEF if she'll survive a Psychic from Gengar or Starmie. If so can you move EVs in D/P at lv100 via box trick? or was that older versions? I don't think you can change it if you are on Level 100 already... Thanks for the advice
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_________________ Get your custom sprites,avatars and signatures at Froggy's Lilypad! My Youtube Channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/Bushin22 Watch,Comment,Rate and Enjoy! ^_^x *Currently BUSY with real life,so i might take a while to respond messages or RMTs... Sorry,I might be back someday...* Last edited by Bushin on Tue Jul 29, 2008 8:07 pm, edited 1 time in total. |
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Psychic Trainer  Joined: Tue Jul 22, 2008 5:36 pm Posts: 58 Location: In the Umbreon Guild, where you can get awesome avatars and fusions!
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Hey, I don't have a team this time, just a couple of Pokemon I wanted an opinion on:
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Timid/Modest - Serene Grace 252 Sp Atk, 252 Spd, 6 HP ~Nasty Plot ~Aura Sphere ~Flamethrower/Roost ~Air Slash Which nature should I use, Timid or Modest? And can Togekiss survive a Roost, or should I just go with Flamethrower?  @ Leftovers
Impish - Thick Fat/Immunity 252 Atk, 129 Def, 129 HP ~Curse ~Rest ~Return ~Crunch Which ability should I use? Immunity prevents Toxic, but I'm not sure if it's worth gving up a fire and ice resistance. _________________  Thanks to Ender for the awesome signature. |
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