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i need help with ev spreads movesets and a last team member so far i have


{snorlax} brave/adamant @ chesto berry
252 hp 126 sp defense 132 attk
curse , rest , eq , rollout

{togekiss} timid serene grace@ kings rocks
252 speed 252 sp attack 6 hp
thunder wave , air slash , roost , aura sphere

{bronzong} relaxed/impish levitate @ ???
252 hp 252 defense 6 sp defense
eq , stealth rock , light screen , explosion

{dusknoir} ??? @ leftovers
need an ev spead (a good one)
will-o-wisp , confuse ray , pain split , substitute

{heracross} adamant @ choice scarf
252 attk 252 speed 6 hp
eq , stone edge , megahorn , close combat

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Sat Aug 11, 2007 4:09 pm
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CHERRY wrote:
i need help with ev spreads movesets and a last team member so far i have


{snorlax} brave/adamant @ chesto berry
252 hp 126 sp defense 132 attk
curse , rest , eq , rollout

If you Want a Curselax it looks pretty good but give it Careful Nature 140 HP / 116 Def / 252 SDef and teach it either body slam or return instead of rollout and you can also give it crunch to beat ghosts instead of EQ but you need a STAB Attack and you don't need atk ev because you're going to use curse a lot.

{togekiss} timid serene grace@ kings rocks
252 speed 252 sp attack 6 hp
thunder wave , air slash , roost , aura sphere

Looks pretty good but if you want to cover more types give it ancientpower instead of Thunderwave.

{bronzong} relaxed/impish levitate @ ???
252 hp 252 defense 6 sp defense
eq , stealth rock , light screen , explosion

Give it Relaxed and Gyro ball so it will do more damage.

{dusknoir} ??? @ leftovers
need an ev spead (a good one)
will-o-wisp , confuse ray , pain split , substitute

You can Give it Night Shade instead of confuse ray because it is not necessary and for the EVs go with 252Hp 129Def 129Sp.Def

{heracross} adamant @ choice scarf
252 attk 252 speed 6 hp
eq , stone edge , megahorn , close combat
Looks Good


P.S this is my first rate.


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My future team:

{torterra} @Shell Bell
Adamant
~Wood Hammer
~Earth Quake
~Curse
~Crunch/Rock Slide/Stone Edge

{lucario} @Leftovers
Hardy
~Aura Sphere
~Earth Quake
~Dragon Pulse
~Brick Break

{alakazam} @Lum Berry
Rash
~Psychic
~Shadow Ball
~Energy Ball
~Calm Mind/Recover


{infernape} @Fire Plate
Adamant
~Shadow Claw
~Close Combat
~Flame Wheel
~Sunny Day

{empoleon} @Chest Berry
Modest
~Flash Cannon
~Ice Beam
~Surf
~Rest

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Gnaaye wrote:
Kizeraa wrote:

{milotic} @Lefities, Marvel Scale
Bold, 50% HP, 25% Def, 25% SDef
~ Toxic
~ Rest
~ Surf
~ Ice Beam
Aqua Ring and Calm Mind > Rest and Toxic IMO.
Tank

Milotic can't learn Calm Mind. :?

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Sun Aug 12, 2007 6:20 am
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Pokemaniac wrote:
My future team:

{torterra} @Shell Bell
Adamant
~Wood Hammer
~Earth Quake
~Curse
~Crunch/Rock Slide/Stone Edge


- Earthquake
- Wood Hammer
- Stealth Rock
- Synthesis / Leech Seed
Item Attached: Leftovers
EVs: 252 HP / 148 Atk / 108 Def
Impish
This set makes use of its bulkiness and low speed but good attack and it can also seed and set up SR


{lucario} @Leftovers
252Spd 129Sp.Atk 129Atk
Hardy
~Aura Sphere
~Earth Quake
~Dragon Pulse
~Brick Break

I see your going for mixed sweeper so give it hasty or naive for Xtra speed because it is very low. Moveset looks alright but give it life orb or expert belt because it adds to both sp.atk and atk.

{alakazam} @Lum Berry
252Spd 252Sp.Atk 6Hp
Rash
~Psychic
~Shadow Ball
~Energy Ball
~Calm Mind/Recover

This is what I like to use Timid nature or Modest for pure power give it life orb with recover or choice specs Grass knot>Energy Ball but maybe focus blast > The last move in case there is a weavile or ttar.

{infernape} @Fire Plate
252Atk 252Spd 6Hp
Adamant
~Shadow Claw
~Close Combat
~Flame Wheel
~Sunny Day

If you want a pure physical sweeper dump sunny day with swords dance, dump shadow claw with stone edge and dump flame wheel with flare blitz. For the item give it either expert belt muscle band or life orb depending what you like.

{empoleon} @Chest Berry
72 HP / 184 Spd / 252 SAtk, 252 HP / 252 SAtk / 4 SDef
Modest
~Flash Cannon
~Ice Beam
~Surf
~Rest

If you want it to be a special sweeper give it agility and an option is to replace one of the attacks with grass knot. Rest is not that necessary unless you want to get rid of a status condition give it leftovers and maybe aqua ring instead of rest. First EV spread

If you want a pure special sweeper give it choice specs and simply replace rest with grass knot. Second EV Spread


As you can see I think life orb is a great hold item but only one pokemon on your team should have it pick wisely.


Mon Aug 13, 2007 4:48 am
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I 'll post mah new team soon


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Mon Aug 13, 2007 8:54 am
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I don't know if this can be considered backseat mod, but I think it's necessary to ask this:

Gnaaye, mead1ey, can you rate the older teams first, please?
You have been rating the newest teams posted here and I feel this is a bit unfair for those people who posted earlier their teams and have been waiting far more time for their team rates.


Mon Aug 13, 2007 6:13 pm
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Shiny_Tyranitar wrote:
Okay, I think I've fixed my team. Please, tell me what you think of this.

Salamence@Life Orb
Adamant: Intimidate
Ev's:252atk, 252 spd, 6 Hp

Dragon Dance
Dragon Claw
EQ
Rock Slide

Role: Physical sweeper, duh

Very good but you may want to give it stone edge instead if rock slide it isn't a very good attack anyway and it has a high critical hit ratio which will help it hit through intimidate. You can give it focus sash to ensure you get a successful Dragon Dance in.

Skarmory@Chesto Berry
Impish: Keen Eye
Ev's:252 Hp, 252 Def, 6 Sp Def

Spikes
Roar
Drill Peck
Rest

Role: Physical wall/ Spiker

The way it should be great though give it sturdy instead.

Weavile@Focus Sash
Adamant: Pressure
Ev's: 252 atk, 252 spd, 6 hp

Brick break,
Ice punch
Ice shard(In case of agility, DD, other Focus sashed Weavile)
Night slash

Role:Physical sweeper/Common type killer/ FS finisher
I know last time I was rated it was said that Focus sash is kinda bad. But Weavile's poor defensive stats beg for it, sorry.

Focus Sash is unnecessary Its got heaps of speed but its attack is kinda low so give it choice band or muscle band or life orb. Get rid of ice shard and give it swords dance if you want to use focus sash. With one of the other items give it shadow claw or X scissor.

Porygon-z@Choice scarf
Modest:Download
Ev's:252 Sp atk, 252 Spd, 6 Hp(btw 31 IV'S for sp atk and spd)
Ice beam
Thunderbolt
Tri attack
Shadow ball

Role: Special sweeper
My zippy porygon-z should be able to take out most pokes in one hit!!!!.....except Blissey....dang.

Great looks very good.

Blissey@Leftovers
Bold:Natural Cure
Ev's:252 Def, 252 Hp, 6 sp def

Seismic toss
Thunder wave
Softboiled
Stealth Rock

Role:Special Sponge/ SR spiker

Looks good you may may want to replace SR with Aromatherapy so it can heal itself and its team without having to switch.

Umbreon@Leftovers
Bold:Synchronize
Ev's:252 HP, 129 Def, 129 Sd Def

Toxic
Mean Look
Wish
Baton Pass

Role: Toxi-trapper; ML BP'er
Tell me what you think. I think this team has definate competitive potential. Please tell me if it does, or what I should fix.

Yep this is good pretty much the standard.

I'm wondering if I should swap out Weavile for this Dusknoir.

Dusknoir@Leftovers
252 HP, 129 Atk, 129 Sp Def
Bold:Pressure

Shadow Punch
Ice Punch
W-o-W
Rest

Pretty Good Get rid of rest for Pain Split and an Impish nature if you want to use physical attacks like ice and shadow punch I personally would use shadow sneak because it always hits first and opponents shouldn't be using double team anyways.

or maybe the standard Electivire? Please help.

You wouldn't need to have three tanks so you should keep weavile but you can replace weavile if you want it is all up to preference.


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Tue Aug 14, 2007 2:19 am
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latinthrasher wrote:
1) Any types that i should defend against
2) i can replace dragonite and espeon in case a better pokemon is suggested.
3) Do the pokemon have the right moves for what they do?



Blaziken@ lum
EV:252 ATK 129SPD 129SPDEF
Counter
Endure
Reversal
Blaze kick/over heat

The nature should be jolly the ev spread should have max spda nd max atk because it is not supposed to take a hit anyway. you should give it salac berry instead of having to get bped speed. Get rid of counter because like I said it is not supposed to take a hit. Give it blaze kick over overheat because it's physical.

Blaziken gets speed baton pass from scizor to aid the endure &
reversal combo.



Espeon @ leftovers
Timid
EV: 196 HP 80SPD 232SD
Calm mind
psychic
Shadow ball
Baton pass

In case anyone needs backup espeon can baton pass

You should give it max spd and max sp.atk because it is a special sweeper who is not supposed to take hits or baton pass. Give it grass knot though you may want to give it morning sun or hidden power but calm mind is fine if you intend of giving it hidden power give it choice specs but life orb when using calm mind or morning sun.

Tyranitar@ lum
Quiet EV: 252HP 80 SPD 176 SPATK
Crunch
Stone edge
Substitute
Focus punch

Standard really

This is not the standard you are trying to make it a boah but quiet gives it no bonusess and giving it sp.atk is useless give it max hp and max atk it then has 101subs and great attack and for the nature adamant. and the hold item leftovers.

Dragonite @ Shell bell
Adamant EV: HP 102 ATK124 DEF92 SPDEF 92 SPD 100
heal bell
Dragon dance
Dragon claw
Water fall/Roar

It is not looking very good. It has heal bell for no reasin so replace it with stone edge and the rest should be fine and for ev spread max spd max atk simply and give it focus sash so it can successfully get a dragon dance. The nature is good

Swampert@ leftovers
Surf/muddy water
Earthquake
Ice beam
Rain dance/rest

Back up blaziken and dragonite vs dragons

Give it max hp max atk and curse rest waterfall earthquake leave leftovers and it should be good with adamant nature.

Scizor@ Lax incense
Impish EV: 156 HP 96DEF 136SPD 120SD
Bug Buzz
Agility
Swords dance
Baton pass

If you want a Baton passer give it Max Hp 129 Defences and give it X Scissor because your nature lowers bug buzzes damage.

Thanks a lot :D
p.s this is my first post, hiya ppl.


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Darjulok wrote:
Here are the movesets of my favorite Hoenn Pokemon. I still don't have any of those Pokemon, I'm just searching the best Natures and IV's (I am in the 1st phase), but I want these movesets to be rated first.
These movesets are mean to be for competitive battles and possibly for Battle Tower.

I want to add that you will see repeated types and moves. This is because these Pokemon are not for battling, they are just some of my Favorite Pokemon which I want to raise at their best. Also I want to say that I don't have access to D/P moves, TMs and abilities because I will raise these Pokemon in Sapphire and then migrate them to D/P. However, I added some D/P moves, TM's and abilities.


{sceptile} @ ????, Overgrow
Adamant, 252 Atk, 252 Spd, 6 HP

Leaf Blade
Crunch
Rock Slide/Aerial Ace
X-Scissor

Physical Sweeper


OR

{sceptile} @ Leftovers, Overgrow
Modest, 252 Sp. Atk, 252 Spd, 6 HP

Grass Knot
Dragon Pulse
Synthesis
Leech Seed

Special Sweeper and Drainer

You can give it Energy Ball instead of Grass knot if you want since it has good damage on lots of pokemon but grass knot does less damage on lighter pokemon than Energy Ball does. Dragon Pulse is good and covers dragons. Leech is very useful and you can give silver wind to cover more types. I like Special Drainer rather than physical since it's higher.

{crawdaunt} @ Leftovers/Shell Bell Shell Armor
Adamant/Jolly, 252 Atk, 252 Spd, 6 HP

Swords Dance
Crabhammer
Crunch
Superpower

Physical Sweeper

Give it Jolly because it has terrible speed and you can already use a Swords dance boost Crabhammer has decent Accuracy and a High Critical Hit ratio but waterfall has better accuracy and pp. Crunch is good because it has STAB and get rid of superpower because it lowers attack and speed and give it brick brick break. The ability hyper cutter is better.

{camerupt} @ Leftovers/Shell Bell Solid Rock
Modest, 252 Sp. Atk/ 129 Sp. Def/ 129 Def

Eruption
Earth Power
Amnesia
AncientPower

Special Sweeper (and possible Special Sponge?)

Give it Flamethrower for constant damage and Explosion> Amnesia


{cacturne} @ Leftovers, Sand Veil
Relaxed/Sassy, 252 Def, 129 Sp. Def, 129 HP

Leech Seed
Sandstorm
Ingrain
Toxic

Toxi-Drainer(?)


OR

{cacturne} @ Choice Scarf, Sand Veil
Adamant, 252 Atk, 252 Def, 6 HP

Payback
Sandstorm
Brick Break/Revenge
Seed Bomb

Physical Sweeper

Give it Sucker Punch instead of Payback Brick Break>Revenge it can't take a hit and Return over Sandstorm.

{flygon} @Choice Band Life Orb or Muscle Band Levitate
Adamant, 252 Atk, 252 Spd, 6 HP

Dragon Claw
Earthquake
Crunch
Stone Edge/Rock Slide

Physical Sweeper

The attacks are good but I would use Stone Edge> Rock Slide since its not very good anyway and it has a high critical hit ratio. Jolly might be a better option since you should be using choice band.

{ninjask} @ Focus Band, Speed Boost
Jolly, 252 Spd, 129 Def, 129 Sp. Def

Baton Pass
Swords Dance
Double Team
Harden(?)

Full Baton Passer. I don't want him to attack.

Well simply I use Substitute thrice then baton pass speed. But your strategy if good with substitute over DT since you shouldn't be using that on OU play. Give it Focus Sash to get a swords dance in if you want.
{walrein} @ Chesto Berry, Ice Body
Modest, 252 Sp. Atk, 129 HP, 129 Sp. Def

Hail
Blizzard
????
Surf

Special Sweeper (and possible Special Sponge?)

Its better at being a physical sweeper but as a special sweeper you should give it calm or bold because it's bulky. Ice beam>Blizzard and Rest>Hail You should give it signal beam or yawn in the last spot. Signal Beam is usually better because of Sleep Cause in OU play.

{banette} @ Choice Scarf or Choice Specs. Insomnia
Modest, 252 Sp. Atk, 252 Spd, 6 HP

Shadow Ball
Psychic
Will-O-Wisp
Thunderbolt

Special Sweeper

Looks good but you could give it calm mind or dark pulse.

{wailord} @ Leftovers Chesto Berry, Oblivious
Bold, 252 Sp, Atk, 129 Def, 129 Sp. Def
Ice Beam
Water Spout
Amnesia
Rest

Mixed Tank and Special Sweeper hybrid

Surf is better than Water Spout in the sense that it does constant damage but Wailord is bulky so it's still an option. Modest Nature.

EDIT:
I have some questions:
-Are OHKO moves allowed in Competitive Battle? I think no.
-Which nature is better for Crawdaunt: Jolly or Adamant? Because I got a Jolly Corphish and this nature may counter Crawdaunt's low base Spd
-I also got a Jolly Trapinch, is this a good nature for him? Flygon has the same base Atk and Spd stats, so I don't see any problem if it has this nature.


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I've just started yesterday and I need more ideas for my team.Could the raters please tell me some? I would appreciate it.

{empoleon} - Lvl 48 - Male
Docile
Surf
Blizzard
Steel Wing
Rock Smash

{staraptor} - Lvl 41 - Male
Bold
Defog
Aerial Ace
Close Combat
Fly

{luxray} - Lvl 39 - Male
Rash
Swagger
Crunch
Spark
Charge

{gastly} - Lvl 31 (Just got him)
Rash
Mean Look
Sucker Punch
Night Shade
Confuse Ray

{riolu} - Just Hatched - Female
Relaxed
Quick Attack
Foresight
Endure

{cranidos} - Lvl 26 - Male
Bold
Strength
Pursuit
Take Down
Scary Face

That's it.



Frost replies: this thread is for COMPETITIVE BATTLING. If you read rule five of the first post in this thread, you will see that we are not here to help you with in-game movesets. Sorry.

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Ok Im new to these forums though not so new to pokemon. Here is my team I am hoping too use for competitive battling. I appreciate any suggestions and constructive critiscism. :D Just dont flame me lol.

Snorlax @ Leftovers Impish
126 Defense, 126 Special Defense ,252 Hp, 6 Attack

Block
Toxic
Rest
EQ/Body Slam

Basically a toxic tanker, with EQ in there too do some extra damage. (Or body slam) Not sure which is better.

Dusknoir @ Leftovers Relaxed
252 defense, 252 Special Defense, 6 Hp

Mean Look
Toxic
Rest
Shadow Ball/ EQ? Not sure

Another toxic tank with an extra attack in there just in case.

Azelf @ Leftovers Mild

126 Attack, 252 Special Attack, 126 Speed, 6 Hp

Psychic
Ice Beam
U-Turn
Explosion

Mixed sweeper. U-Turn incase I need too get out. Explosion is always a good move. His excellent speed is a big adavantage I thikn. In opinions here appreciated. I am not sure if I should make myself go completely sweeper in one way.

Metagross @ Leftovers Adamant
252 Hp, 252 Attack, 6 Defense

EQ
Shadow Ball
Meteor Mash
Explosion

Physical sweeper, enough said.

Forrettress @ Leftovers Impish
180 Hp, 168 attack, 96 Defense, 64 Sepcial defense

Spikes
Rapid Spin
Explosion
EQ

Hes basically there too get rid of spikes, and tank a little bit. Not much of an attacker I suppose but he will do good enough.

Infernape @ Leftover Adamant
252 Atk, 252 HP, 6 Def

Blaze Kick/ Flare Blitz
Brick Break/ Close combat
Bulk Up
EQ

Physical sweeper again. Not sure which moves are ebtter but hey

I am not sure if I have enough special atackers, or if I have too many tanks or whatever. I think my types are distributed well but I could be wrong. If you think my pokemon shouldnt be here just say so, and what I should replace them. (By this I mean special sweeper, hazer etc.)


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Jeff25 wrote:
I'm back with another team! Some experimental stuff, but rounded out with some tried and true pokemon.

Drapion @ Scope Lens
Adamant | Sniper
252 Attack, 252 Speed, 6 HP
~Night Slash
~Cross Poison
~Earthquake/Swords Dance
~Brick Break

I suggest giving it a Jolly Nature since It will be using swords dance anyway. You need swords dance instead of either brick break or earthquake. For the Ev spread I recommend using this 52HP 252Atk 204 Spd so it can take more hits and 13 speed ivs shouldn't really matter.

Scizor @ ?
Careful | Swarm
252 HP, 129 Speed, 129 Sp. Def
~Focus Energy
~Agility
~Baton Pass
~U-turn/Z Scizzor

Plan is to pass over Focus Energy and Agility to Drapion and critical like mad. With the sniper ability, this would most likely lead to OHKO's. My question, is focus energy permanent or just for your next attack?

I think you should give it leftovers and replace the speed evs for defence ones I would give it X Scissor since you won't need to be switching out due to baton passing.

Dugtrio @ Choice Band/Focus Sash/Toxic Orb
Adamant/Lonely | Arena Trap
252 Attack, 252 Speed, 6 HP
~Earthquake
~Rock Slide
~Night Slash
~Substitute/Aerial Ace/Facade

I have focus sash up there because really...I dont see Dugtrio surviving much of anything with his piss poor defense. Pair it with lonely nature to ensure the focus sash will kick in, giving you two turns to hopefully KO whomever you arena trapped. Toxic Orb with Facade. Both of these are pretty far from the standard for Dugtrio. Is my logic flawed?

You should swap out night slash with sucker punch and ariel ace in the last spot. Give it Adamant
choice band and it will look pretty good.


Gengar @ Life Orb
Modest | Levitate
252 Sp. Attack, 252 Speed, 6 HP
~Shadow Ball
~Thunderbolt
~Sludge Bomb
~Destiny Bond

Special Sweeper. I noticed Destiny Bond is never included in standard Gengar movesets. Why? He's fast enough to use it effectively.

It is not used because sometimes it is not allowed so swap it out with Focus Blast or Psychic everything looks fine but you can give it choice specs or choice scarf instead.

Togekiss @ ?
Timid | Serena Grace
252 Sp. Attack, 252 Speed, 6 HP
~Thunder Wave
~Air Slash
~Aura Sphere
~Ancient Power

Give it Wise glasses or shell bell. Everything looks fine but give it a modest nature because it will be using thunder wave anyway.

For my last one im thinking a tank. Either Umbreon or Dusknoir. Leaning Towards Umbreon.

So if you are leaning toward umbreon this is a good set.

Umbreon@Leftovers
Impish Bold
252Hp 129Sp.Def 129Def
Toxic
Mean Look
Wish
Baton Pass

Baton Passes Mean look and toxic and wish.
This is another annoying set
Umbreon @ Leftovers
252Hp 129Def 129 Sp.Def
Mean Look
Toxic
Confuse Ray
Moonlight
Mean look then confuse ray toxic foe to death. Use moonlight if necessary.


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fire dragon14 wrote:
please correct me if i do this wrong

this is not my team for the battle tower since it has legendaries.

Charizard@no item 239 hp lvl 76
Jolly Blaze

150 attack 180 sp. attack
218 speed
150 def 155 sp. def

Blast Burn
Dragon claw
Brick Break?
Dig?

Kyogre@no item 322 hp lvl 90
Hasty Drizzle

215 attack 290 sp attack
198 def 292 sp def
243 speed

Water Spout
Earthquake
Thunderbolt
Ice beam

Rayquaza@no item 282 hp lvl 81
Impish Air Lock

280 attack 240 sp att
183 def 188 sp def
187 speed

Extremespeed
Dragon pulse
Fly
Surf

Groudon@no item 309 hp lvl 86
timid drought

attack 277 sp atk 217
def 299 sp def 189
speed 194

Eruption
Earthquake
Thunderbolt
Solarbeam

Torterra@Big Root 308 hp lvl 100
Hardy overgrow

Atk 271 sp atk 207
Def 271 sp def 228
Speed 169

Giga Drain
Earthquake
?
?

Gengar@no item 120 hp lvl 54
Serious Levitate

Atk 70 sp atk 145
Def 64 sp def 69
Speed 125

Shadow ball
Psychic
Dark Pulse
Destiny Bond
This is Extremely messy and makes no sense I will rewrite this.

{charizard}@ Life Orb
Modest | Blaze
252 Sp Atk, 252 Spd, 6 HP
Will-o-Wisp
Flamethrower
Focus Blast
Air Slash/ Dragon Pulse
Will o Wisp weakens rock type attacks focus blast takes them down flamethrower has stab and the last move Air Slash has stab while dragon pulse takes out salamence and garchomps.

{kyogre}@Leftovers
Modest | Drizzle
252Def 252Spd
Thunder
Ice Beam
Calm Mind
Surf
One Calm mind an it will be a beast thunder doesn't miss and ice beam covers dragons and Surf will do heaps of damage. It already has heaps of Sp.Atk so it doesn't need EVs

{rayquaza}@Choice Specs/Scarf
Timid
252Sp.ATk 252Spd
Ice Beam
Dragon Pulse/Draco Meteor
Flamethrower
Surf.
Huge Sp.Atk with Specs will own and it should have enough Spd though you may want to give it Scarf instead.

{groudon}@Choice Band/Scarf
Adamant
252Atk 252Spd
Earthquake
Dragon Claw
Shadow Claw
Swords Dance/Return
Huge Attack Stab EQ Good type coverage with claws and swords dance for massive damage and return for other types. Choice Band for massive damage and Scarf for speed boost.

Torterra@Leftovers/Shell Bell
Impish Nature
252 HP / 148 Atk / 108 Def
Wood Hammer
Stone Edge
Leech Seed
Earthquake
Double Stab and Stone Edge takes out fliers while it can seed to help it team and itself heal up.

Genger@Choice Specs
Modest 252Spd 252Sp.Atk
Thunderbolt
Shadow Ball
Psychic
Sludge Bomb
Double Stab and Thunderbolt and Psychic has good type coverage. It has great sp.atk and with Specs it can do a lot more damage.

I am not very experienced with OObers and a lot of my sets have choice items because they lack speed so pick wisely.


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luxray strike wrote:
Thanks for the advice on Charizard, I changed him to a special sweeper and he works heaps better. I think my team has a major flaw though and i was wondering if you could help me???

This is my team (mainly for double battles):

Charizard@life orb, Blaze Or Choice Specs
BoldNo, Modest , EVs: 252SA 252SP 6Def
Flamethrower
Solarbeam
Dragon Pulse
Focus Blast

Good it cover a good range of types.

I team him up with umbreon so solar beam hits straight away. Hits all his weaknesses @ super effective.
Role: Special Sweeper
Looks good.
Torterra@ Shell Bell, Overgrow You can use leftovers
NaiveImpish is Better. EVs:? 252 HP / 148 Atk / 108 Def
Stealth rock
Leech Seed
Earthquake
Wood Hammer

Leech seed everyone then hit them with wood hammer and earthquake. Stealth Rock is for flying types that are going to switch in. Shell Bell To recover damage from Wood Hammer(Cuts recoil)
Role: Annoyer/Tank/Physical Sweeper

It doesn't need speed anyway so give it defence. Your moveset is good

Dragonite@Persim Berry, Inner Focus Leftovers or Focus Sash
Quirky,Adamant EVs: 252Att 252HP 6Speed
Dragon Dance
Outrage Dragon Claw
Fly No Earthquake or Stone Edge
Safeguard Waterfall would be pretty good.
Role: Physical Sweeper.
(Is fly the strongest flying type move Dragonite can learn?)

Dragon Pulse and Waterfall are resisted by not even one pokemon and Earthquake or Stone Edge covers types well. Dragon gives it a good boost. Leftovers helps it out survive and Focus Sash ensures it gets a successful Dragon Dance.

Blastiose@leftovers, Torrent
Relaxed EVs:? Max Defences
Hydro Cannon Surf is better
Skull Bash Mirror Coat is better
Flash Cannon Counter is better
Ice Beam
Skull Bash raises Defence, Ice Beam for Dragons, Flash Cannon to lower SD and Hydro Cannon as strong STAB move.
Role: Tank

Reflect Attacks with counter mirror coat surf and ice beam to attack

Umbreon@heat rock, Syncronize
Quiet, EVs:?Careful or Impish 252Hp 129Def 129 Sp.Def
Sunny Day
Moonlight
Faint Attack In double Battles Confuse Ray would be good.
Toxic
Role: Annoyer/Drainer

Sunny Day makes moonlight heal full confuse ray annoys and so does toxic.

Metagross@ Choice Band, Clearbody Lum Berry or Leftovers or Focus Sash
Naughty, EVs:?
Magnet rise This is a novelty attack I wouldn't use it Agility instead
Hammer Arm Earthquake is better
Meteor Mash
Zen Headbutt Give it either Explosion or thunderpunch from emerald.
Role: Physical Sweeper

Explosion is a last resort attack but thunderpunch takes out waters.
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Here's what I got planned for my team so far. (EDIT: Added some stuffs.)

Leafeon @ Leftovers
Leaf Guard
Adamant, 252 Spd 129 SpD 129 HP
Swords Dance
Grasswhistle
Baton Pass
Leaf Blade

Baton Passer for Garchomp, but can hold its own if necessary.

Garchomp @ Shell Bell
Sand Veil
Adamant, 252 Spd 252 Atk 6 HP
Dragon Claw
Stone Edge
Earthquake
Swords Dance

Physical Sweeper for the team.

Dusknoir @ Leftovers
Pressure
Careful, 252 Def 252 SpD 6 HP
Will-o-Wisp
Pain Split
Shadow Punch
Ice Punch

Tank, speaks for itself.

Porygon-Z @ Life Orb
Adaptability
Modest, 252 SpA 252 Spd 6 HP
Tri Attack
Thunderbolt
Ice Beam
Nasty Plot

Special Sweeper with Boltbeam.

Forretress @ Leftovers
Sturdy
Careful, not sure about EVs
Stealth Rock
Spikes
Earthquake/Gyro Ball
Rapid Spin

Spiker and Spinner. Not sure which offensive move I should go with.
Alternatively, I might pick Bronzong for my Stealth Rock user. VVV

Bronzong @ Leftovers
Levitate
Sassy/Relaxed, 252 HP 129 Def 129 Sp. Def
Stealth Rock
Hypnosis
Gyro Ball
Rest

I don't know what my last Pokemon should be. I have some ideas:

Togekiss @ King's Rock/Choice Scarf
Serene Grace
Timid with King's Rock/Modest with Choice Scarf; 252 Sp. Atk 252 Spd 6 HP
Air Slash
Aura Sphere
Shadow Ball
Thunder Wave with King's Rock/Grass Knot with Choice Scarf? What would be a better fourth attack?

Special Sweeper. Could either be a flincher or a Choice Scarfer.

Medicham @ Choice Scarf
Pure Power
Adamant, 252 Atk 252 Spd 6 HP
Hi Jump Kick/Brick Break
Thunder Punch
Ice Punch
Psycho Cut

Physical Sweeper with Choice Scarf.

Any other suggestions?

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{garchomp}@Focus Sash, Sand Veil
Jolly, 252 Speed, 252 Attack, 6 Hp
Fire Fang
Earthquake
Dragon Claw
Swords Dance
Physical Sweeper
*first pkm in line*

{electivire}@Life Orb/Expert Belt, Motor Drive
Adamant,252 Speed, 252 Attack, 6 Hp
Earthquake
Cross Chop
Thunder Punch
Ice Punch
Physical Sweeper

{milotic}@L/O, Marvel Scale
Calm, 148Hp, 104 Def, 16 Speed, 184 Sp.Attack, 56 Sp.Def
Hypnosis
Ice Beam
Surf
Recover
Sp.Wall, Ice user for those pesky Garchomps and Salamences

{blissey}@L/O, Natural Cure
Bold, 252 Hp, 252 Def, 6 Sp.Def
Seismic Toss
Heal Bell
Softboiled
Thunder Wave
Main Special Wall

{skarmory}@L/O, Sturdy
Impish, 240 Hp, 70 Attack, 200 Def
Roar
Spikes
Rest
Drill Peck
Main Physical Wall

{gengar}@Petaya, Levitate
Modest, 255 Speed, 255 Sp.Attack
ThunderBolt
SludgeBomb
Shadow Ball
Substitute
Special Sweeper:*Messed up on the Ev training lol but Hp still ended up divisable by 4 though I should have gave the last point to some other stat...

I already have all of the pokemon listed except for Electivire and Garchomp Iv bred and Ev trained. Also Im really bent on deciding what to give Electivire: Expert belt or Life Orb. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.


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Rate my TORTERRA's please,

TORTERRA @ LEFTOVERS. OVER GROW
SASSY, EV's 52 HP, 40 ATTACK, 164 DEFENCE, 252 SPECIAL DEFENCE

LEECH SEED
SUBSTITUTE
CURSE
STONE EDGE

Your probably wondering, why stone edge instead of seed bomb or earthquake? I like stone edge because seeing as torterra is a grass type pokemon it's weak against: fire, bug, flying and ice pokemon so a rock type move like stone edge should come in handy. I maxed out its special defence and as for it's defence well, I can use curse to raise it and its attack too. I put a bit of EV's in HP so it can get more HP for leftovers.

TORTERRA @ CHOICE BAND. OVER GROW
BRAVE, EV's 52 HP, 252 ATTACK, 44 DEFENCE, 160 SPECIAL DEFENCE

SEED BOMB
EARTHQUAKE
STONE EDGE
CRUNCH

I'm 99.99999% sure that these are the best four moves to give to a choice banding TORTERRA, but I'm not sure if the EV spread is perfect. Seed bomb is a better choice than wood hammer I think because if I gave it wood hammer, there will be no use for crunch (unless I'm facing a GENGAR).


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Sum_1 wrote:
Heres my Battle Tower team... It's for a double battle.This thread is for Competitive play I will treat this team as so.

Blissey{blissey} Tank, Baton Passer
Calm
Lefties

Toxic
Double Team
Calm Mind
Baton Pass
{blissey}@Leftovers
Bold 252Hp 252Def 252 Sp.Def
Aromatherapy
Seismic Toss
Thunderwave/Ice Beam/ Stealth Rock
Softboiled
The last movie is your choice SR for Supporting Twave to help use seismic tosses and Ice beam stops gengar from wailing blissey and also hits salamence and garchomp for supereffective damage. In battle you won't be able to use DT.




Raichu{raichu} Annoyer
Hasty
Magnate

Sweet Kiss
Thunder Wave
Attract
Shock Wave (Usually has thunderbolt but with STAB and Magnate Shock Wave has 135 Power plus unavoidability and 20 PP

A {pikachu} would be better for the reason that it can use light ball.
{pikachu}@Light Ball
Thunderbolt
Surf/Hp Water/Grass Knot
Thunderwave/Agility
Attract

In double battles surf will hit you're own but it won't really matter since you are using blissey or umbreon. If you can't get surf give it Hp Water if you can't get that just use grass knot since that will be the only defence against Ground Types. Thunderwave cuts speed of your opponent while agility ups your own
Attract lets pikachu use a thunderwave or thunderwave successfully.
Umbreon {umbreon} Special Sweeper
Modest
Lum Berry

Psychic
Shadow Ball
Dark Pulse
Rest

Umbreon is definitely not a sweeper it is a tank so the best set will be
{umbreon}@leftovers/Lum berry
Impish/Carfeul
252hp 129sp.def 129 def
Mean look
Toxic
Wish
Baton Pass
Simply baton Pass a mean look toxic and a wish

Blissey toxics, then raises Evasiveness and sp AtK and Sp Def the BP's to {umbreon} while {raichu} does annoying act then {umbreon} just cleans up the mess.

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I think this team will be awesome because all the team members synergize and have teamwork. Plus they're all powerful pokemon and serve their roles well. This will be for wifi competitive play.

Please leave feedback and suggestions (if any).

Specsmence (Salamence)
Draco Meteor
Dragon Pulse
Flamethrower
Hydro Pump
item: Choice Specs
ability: Intimidate
nature: Modest
evs: 4hp/252spatk/252spd
Description: Special Sweeper
Teams up with: Jirachi - covers all of Salamence's weaknesses.
Try to get HP Electric for bulky waters. But Draco Meteor is just as fine.

ReturnDDGyarados (Shiny Gyarados)
Return
Waterfall
Dragon Dance
Taunt
item: Leftovers
ability: Intimidate
nature: Adamant
evs: 212hp/16atk/180def/100spd
Description: Physical Sweeper
Teams up with: Electivire - covers the 4x weakness to electric.
Jirachi - covers the rock weakness.
The EV spread is messed up. 252 Atk and Spd. 6 HP. Aqua Tail > Waterfall. Shell Bell would be better.

Electivire
Earthquake
Thunderbolt
Ice Punch
Cross Chop
item: Expert Belt
ability: Motor Drive
nature: Lonely
evs: 252 Atk / 176 Spd / 80 SpA
Description: Mixed Sweeper
Teams up with:
Gyarados - absorbing electric attacks for it. Protection against ground.
Salamence - Protection against ground.
Jirachi - Uturn partner. Protection against Magnet Pull.
Perfection.

Jirachi
Zen Headbutt
Reflect
Wish
U-turn
item: Leftovers
ability: Serene Grace
nature: Impish
evs: 240 HP / 56 Atk / 76 Def / 136 Spd
Description: Wishpasser and Team Support
Teams up with:
Salamence - covers all of salamence's weaknesses. Salamence covers all of Jirachi's weaknesses.
Gyarados - covers rock weakness of gyarados. Gyarados covers all of jirachi's weaknesses.
Electivire - Uturn partner.
252 Def and HP, the rest at Atk I say. That way, 'Chi is a Physical Wall too.

Blissey
Seismic Toss
Sing
Softboiled
Heal Bell
item: Leftovers
ability: Natural Cure
nature: Bold
Description: Special wall and Cleric. Has Sing instead of Thunder Wave due to Electivire being a threat with its Motor Drive ability.
Teams up with:
Skarmory - skarmbliss combo
Ah, good-old SkarmBliss.

Skarmory
Drill Peck
Whirlwind
Stealth Rock
Roost
item: Leftovers
nature: Impish
ability: Sturdy
evs: 252hp/252def/6speed
Description: Physical Wall
Teams up with:
Blissey - skarmbliss combo.
See above.


It seems like an overall good team to me.

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CHERRY wrote:
i need help with ev spreads movesets and a last team member so far i have

{snorlax} brave/adamant @ chesto berry
252 hp 126 sp defense 132 attk
curse, rest, eq, rollout,
Your EV spread seems messed up. 129 Def, HP, Atk and SDef I say. The standard Curselax is Curse, Rest, Crunch, Return.

{togekiss} timid serene grace@ kings rocks
252 speed 252 sp attack 6 hp
thunder wave, air slash, roost, aura sphere
Serene Grace abuse Togekiss? Nasty Plot, Roost, Air Slash and Silver Wind.

{bronzong} relaxed/impish levitate @ ???
252 hp 252 defense 6 sp defense
eq, stealth rock, light screen, explosion
Iron Defence, Rest, Block, Toxic. Stalling ftw. @Lefties.

{dusknoir} ??? @ leftovers
need an ev spead (a good one)
will-o-wisp , confuse ray , pain split , substitute
252 HP, 129 Def and SDef. Calm. Seems good.

{heracross} adamant @ choice scarf
252 attk 252 speed 6 hp
eq, stone edge, megahorn, close combat
<3. Perfection.

A special sweeper is what this team needs. Sunny-Beaming Houndoom is a good choice IMO. Sunny Day, Solar Beam, Flamthrower, HP Ice.

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Blaze wrote:
My battle team w/ done w/ training

Roserade, Lvl 57
Razor Leaf
Stun Spore
Poisonpowder
Solar Beam
Growth, Energy Ball and Sludge Bomb > Razor Leaf, Poison Powder and Poisonpowder.

Alakazam, Lvl 57
Futuresight
Psychic
Flash
Shadow Ball
Focus Blast and Calm Mind > Flash and Futuresight.

Garchomp, lvl 58
Earthquake
Dragon Rush
Fire Blast
Sandstorm
Swords Dance > Sandstorm. It's not a good move to use in this situation because nearly all your team members will be hurt by it.

Palkia, Lvl 60
Spacial Rend
Dragon Claw
Surf
Hyper Beam
Trick Room, Surf, Dragonbreath and Flamethrower is the one I use.

Empoleon lvl 60
Surf
Ice Beam
Shadow Claw
Hydro Pump
Surf, Ice Beam, Grass Knot, HP Fire kkthnxbai

Luxray lvl 58

Thunder
Discharge
Strength
Crunch
Spark, and Howl > Thunder, Discharge.

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Lady Gaia wrote:
Bearing in mind that my pokemon are only allowed to be level 50 at most:
I'm still unsure about the items.

Lucario @ Shell Bell
-Aura Shpere
-Crunch
-Swords Dance
-Blaze Kick/ Bullet Punch
If going with @Shell Bell, specialize, and use Calm Mind, Aura Sphere, Shadow Ball, and Flash Cannon. Otherwise, @Choice Scarf, with Aura Sphere, Shadow Ball, Rock Slide, and Earthquake.

Aerodactyl @ Choice Band
-Earthquake
-Fire Fang/ Ice Fang
-Aerial Ace
-Roost
Roost is a defensive move. This Aerodactyl is sweeper. Earthquake, Rock Slide, Aerial Ace, Double-Edge is appropriate, though you very well can go Crunch, Fire Fang, ThunderFang, or Ice Fang, depending on your needs.

Flygon @ Leftovers
-Dragon Claw/ Crunch
-Dragon Pulse
-Protect/ Confuse Ray
-Flamethrower
For special Sweeping, Solar Beam, Flamethrower, Dragon Pulse, and sunny day. Otherwise, for physical sweeping, go with garchomp - better stats, wider physical movepool.

Umbreon @ ???
-Toxic
-Mean Look
-Protect/ Payback
-Rest/ Payback
Wish > Rest. Confuse Ray or Protect in the third spot (protect when you are using wish, or confuse ray to have them go damage to themselves.

Leafeon @ ???
-Yawn
-Swords Dance
-Substitute
-Giga Drain
Special Attack is too low for Giga Drain. Leaf Blade > Giga Drain. Last Resort as a possibility > substitute.

Glaceon @ ???
-Hail
-Ice Beam
-Surf (i used a team calculator and found ive got a weakness to fire and fighting)
-Double Team/ Protect
It gets water pulse, not surf. How about vaporeon? No weakness to fire, or fighting. A bit of a grass and electric, but Vaporeon is good with great HP. Use shadow ball as opposed to Hail, and either Wish or yawn > double team/protect (leave protect if you want - but no double team).


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Lucario @ Choice specs
EV:242 SP. Atk 242 Speed 6 HP
Nature:Modest l
Aura Sphere
Psychic
Dragon pulse
flash cannon

Speical sweeper


Milotic @ leftovers
EV:242 HP 242 Sp.Def 6 speed
Nature:Calm
Rest
ice beam
surf
confuse ray

Sp. Wall

Gengar @ Choice specs
nature:modest or timid
EV:242 speed 242 Sp. Atk 6 HP
Shadow ball
Energy ball
thunderbolt
slugde bomb(?)

Umberon @ leftovers
EV:242 HP 129 Sp. Def 129 Def
nature:Impish
Wish
mean look
toxic
baton pass

Garchomp @ life orb
nature:Adament
EV:242 Speed 242 Atk 6 HP
EQ
Fire fang
dragon claw
Rock slide/aerial ace

Electivire @ expert belt
nature:jolly/adament
EV: 242 speed 242 Atk 6 HP
EQ
thunder punch
ice punch
brick break


This is my team that I need help on.

I'm having problems in figuring out a annoyer and hazer along with other pokemon.I notice that I have 1 toxi-trapper and no Def. tank and I'm also unsure about milotic.
the other pokemon that I thought about is...

Dusknoir @ leftovers
EV:242 HP 129 Sp Def 129 Def
nature: unsure
Confuse ray
will-o-wisp
pain split
fire punch/curse

annoying pokemon

starmie
nature:Timid
Idem: :?:
EV:242 SP. atk 242 Speed 6 HP
thunderbolt
surf
haze
ice beam

sweeper
porygon-Z @ Choice specs
Nature:modest
EV:242 sp. atk 242 speed 6 HP
Ice beam/Flamethrower
tri-attack
thunderbolt
psychic
Special sweeper

Def. tank
Weezing @ black sludge
nature: Bold
EV:242 HP 242 Def 6 speed
haze
pain split
taunt
thunderbolt

special sweeper
Alakazam @ Choice specs
nature:timid
EV 242 Speed 242 Sp. Atk 6 HP
Energy ball
psychic
shadow ball
focus blast


Q: is the team I have now good or do I need to switch pokemon above?


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