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{weavile}@Expert Belt No. Life Orb for extra power
Jolly -252atk/252spd/4hp No 6 hp

Taunt
Brick Break
Night Slash
Ice Punch Nope. Ice Shard, but Ice punch is alright it depends on your choice

Lead. If the opponent is something like Forretress, I use taunt to stop him Stealth Rocking. Also helps against supporters I can't kill.

Could work,otherwise you could use this moveset:-

Weavile@Choice Band
Jolly evs 252 atk 252 spd 6hp
Ice Shard
Night Slash
Aerial Ace
Brick Break


{gengar}@Focus Sash Hmm. good for surviving OKHO. Creative
Modest -252Spatk/252spd/4hp No. 6hp

Hypnosis
Thunderbolt
Shadow Ball
Energy Ball No. Sludge Bomb for STAB

Special sweeper. Hypnosis the enemy (only one if sleep clause), then sweep!

{electivire}@Expert Belt No. Life Orb
Adamant -252atk/252spd/4hp No. 6 hp
Cross Chop
Thunder Punch
Earthquake
Ice Punch

Physical sweeper. Expert belt obviously because of the type coverage on this moveset.

{dusknoir}@Leftovers
Impish -252hp/52def/204Spdef No. 204 def 204 sp def, remaining evs in HP/ 252 hp 129 def 129 sp def

Fire Punch Replace with Mean look to force death by Will-o-wisp
Will-o-wisp
Pain Split
Shadow Punch

Double wall. Fire punch covers Heracross, who'll want my Will-o-wisp, no doubt.

{milotic}@Leftovers Maybe Flame Orb to activate ability?? Otherwise Lefties are fine
Calm -252hp/129def/129Spdef
Toxic
Aqua Ring
Recover
Surf

Toxic Sponge wall thingy. ToxiTank is it? Well, this does that. Uses Toxic, then heals, surf, heal etc.

{lucario}@Life Orb. No Choice Specs.
Timid -252Spatk/252spd/4hp No. 6 hp

- Aura Sphere
- Dark Pulse
- Dragon Pulse
- Psychic

Special Sweeper. Pretty obvious.



Rate please? Done(after a couple complaints), enjoy

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Thu Nov 08, 2007 3:32 pm
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4 EV's is the same as 6 EV's
Max out Dusky's HP
Electivire does best with Motor Drive, not Choice Scarf. Depends on preference.
Pursuit>Night Slash on Weaviles that lead, and Ice Punch>Ice Shard

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Ice Shard strikes first thus giving advantages over ScarfChomp or Scarfmence. Dusk's HP is bad so why max it?? You'd rather almost max out defs and put the remaining evs in HP. Night Slash gives high critcal hit ratio and has better base power than pursuit

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ScarfChomp/Mence aren't among the leads I've seen, and I don't see it necessary on this lead. If it was not the lead, I'd agree with Ice Shard to put any DD'ing/Scarfed Dragons out of their misery. Pursuit in case you run into a lead that would switch on Weavile.

And the reason you max Dusknoir's HP is because it's bad. Maxing out HP is essential for many tanks.

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thekiller0703 wrote:
ScarfChomp/Mence aren't among the leads I've seen, and I don't see it necessary on this lead. If it was not the lead, I'd agree with Ice Shard to put any DD'ing/Scarfed Dragons out of their misery. Pursuit in case you run into a lead that would switch on Weavile.

And the reason you max Dusknoir's HP is because it's bad. Maxing out HP is essential for many tanks.


Hmm, that's why I said make it the medium amount of evs for Hp which allows it's defense to be stronger, now night slash, if you pursuit in the BT it won't work same on Wifi each of the trainers are computer controlled. Plus high Critcal hit chance +70 base power is wicked.

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Neither did he say it was a BT team nor does his team have the right number of pokemon for the tower.

Again, if you don't believe me on the HP team go to Smogon and let them get mad at you >.>

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Errm, I do believe you on the HP thing. I' ve edited it. Happy?????? Anyway Electrive works best with Motor drive and Choice Scarf 1.5 +1.5 = 3*normal spd

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Roar Of Time wrote:
Anyway Electrive works best with Motor drive and Choice Scarf 1.5 +1.5 = 3*normal spd


the fact that you would outspeed a ninjask like that is enough to state that scarf would put overkill on the speed. expert belt/life orb was practically made for E-vire so it can sweep effectively after that speed boost from motor drive. you wouldnt want to be locked on to T-bolt with scarf and have them switch into a duggy now would you? expert belt/life orb E-vire can promptly serve ice punch to any incoming ground-types. basically, the ability to execute other moves are more important to fully utilize E-vire's sweeping abilities


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Would Life Orb work???

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i actually like an electivire with all three punches and EQ with an expert belt for the type coverage and lure an electric attack by sendign a water out before it


Thu Nov 08, 2007 7:02 pm
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can someone rate my espeon


Espeon@ wise glasses

psybeam
hyper beam
psychic
future sight


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I've got one. I would just like to say first this is strictly a double battle team. I wouldn't be caught dead using this team in a single battle. This is my work in progress trick room team.

Cresselia@light clay/levitate
Serious (neutral) 252def, 252sdef, 6hp
Trick room
Skill swap
Reflect
Light screen

She is one of the TR set ups. I know its risky giving her no attacks (I know the horrors of taunt) but if taunt is used, this team wouldn't do well anyway since I wouldn't get trick room in. Plus she can take alot of hits so she can get alot of those moves in before getting knocked out. She one time survived water spout from kyogre AND shadow ball from mewtwo.

Magnezone@leftovers/sturdy
Modest 252spatt, 129 def, 129sdef
Protect
Magnet rise
Flash cannon
Thunderbolt

Protect to take no damage while TR is being set up (as for everyone else too). Magnet rise for when Cresselia isn't around (she can skill swap Mags her levitate).

Dusknoir@lum berry/pressure
Sassy 252hp, 129def, 129sdef
Trick room
WoW
Shadow punch
Pain split

Another TR set up, but this one can attack. And with WoW and pain split, its quite the annoyer. Another good support pokemon. The lum berry is for the Darkrias out there.

Shuckle@Lax incense/sturdy
Relaxed 252hp, 129def, 129sdef
Power trick
Gastro acid
Rock slide
Gyro ball

The only sweeper that doesn't have protect, b/c he doesn't need it. He uses power trick while TR is being set up. With the lowest speed in the game becoming the highest speed and now the highest attack, let the carnage begin (too bad gyro ball is capped :( ). Gastro acid was for slaking, but I cut slaking, so it doesn't have much purpose. I'm Thinking of replacing shuckle with maybe relicanth (Rock head + Head smash = :shock: ).

Glaceon@wise glasses/Snow cloak
Quiet 252spatt, 252hp, 6sdef
Protect
HP fire
Shadow ball
Ice beam

Not much to say, just your basic special sweeper. HP fire was a nice treat.

Marowak@Thick club/Rock head
Adament 252att, 252hp, 6sdef
Protect
Fire punch
Thunder punch
Bonemerang

Let me tell you, fire and thunder punch were hard to get. I spent an entire day to earn enough BPs to get them, but it was worth it! I choose Bonemerang over EQ because with just cresselia, everyone else would get hit (especially Mags). Plus it can deal with substitute. I choose Rock head over Lightningrod so I don't take any of Mags T-bolts. Sure an ability that does something is better that no ability, but no ability is better than a harmfull one (same logic with slaking).

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Yes, it's a WiFi team. :P

So my team after the suggestions is:

{weavile}@Life Orb
Jolly -252atk/252spd/4hp

Taunt
Brick Break
Pursuit
Ice Punch

{gengar} No change here.
{electivire} None again.
{dusknoir} I need a fire punch on my team. And will-o-wisp is mainly there for halving attack, not draining health.
{milotic} Nothing new on this.
{lucario} I HATE choice items. Why limit yourself like that?


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lozza wrote:
Yes, it's a WiFi team. :P

So my team after the suggestions is:

{weavile}@Life Orb
Jolly -252atk/252spd/4hp

Taunt
Brick Break
Pursuit
Ice Punch.

[color=yellow]Well I said you can have Ice punch if u want, but it depends on your choice. Ice shard covers pokes faster than you, or pokes with choice scarf eg-Garchomp. But like I said it all depends on your choice.


{gengar} No change here.
{electivire} None again.
{dusknoir} I need a fire punch on my team. And will-o-wisp is mainly there for halving attack, not draining health. Well you replace mean look with FP for more coverage if u want to, I suppose due to Dusk's 100 base atk, but first try Mean look and Will-o-wisp, just try testing both of them, see which one works best.

{milotic} Nothing new on this.
{lucario} I HATE choice items. Why limit yourself like that?Well regarding Lucario it has a Timid nature+Spd- sp atk Choice Specs increases Sp atk by 1.5(which is as same as a calm mind except without the sp def increase) so that's why and it allows Lucario to sweep immediatly combined with boosted sp atk and a +Spd Nature


Ok?


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keltic torchic wrote:
can someone rate my espeon


Espeon@ wise glasses

psybeam
hyper beam
psychic
future sight


Fri Nov 09, 2007 9:22 am
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keltic torchic wrote:
keltic torchic wrote:
can someone rate my espeon


Espeon@ wise glasses No. Lum berry (works great with ability)
Modest/Timid Nature
evs-252 sp atk 252 spd 6 hp

Ok, persistent aren't you???

psybeam. Baton Pass
hyper beam Calm Mind
psychic
future sight No. Grass Knot or Shadow ball

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Roar Of Time wrote:
Coz, for a Uber, Dialga's spd is low, very low, that's why, even with 252 spd evs its still slow. This pokemon is to be used in Uber battles, it is the slowest legend ever that's why


Lugia, Giratina, Kyogre, and Groudon have the same base speed. And the first two usually don't run any EVs. Just put them in HP.


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i dont know what evs are.
do you know where to get the shadow ball tm?


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keltic torchic wrote:
i dont know what evs are.
do you know where to get the shadow ball tm?


A guide on evs-http://www.psypokes.com/lab/evguide.php

After read this-http://www.psypokes.com/dex/evtraining.php

Shadow ball-210, Battle Park, for a full list of TM and HMs, click here-http://www.psypokes.com/dp/tmhm.php

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its too confusing. how do you keep track of evs? who even made evs up? its not in the game and nintendo never said anything about dvs, evs, ivs.
its just stupid.


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keltic torchic wrote:
its too confusing. how do you keep track of evs? who even made evs up? its not in the game and nintendo never said anything about dvs, evs, ivs.
its just stupid.


I have to agree and disagree with you at the same time...true...why create IVs when you can't do anything much about it? And why create EVs to make people work so hard to get it right? But on the other hand, without this things...there may never be a "Better" trainer. Cos every Pokemon would become a "Clone".


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can someone please rate my team?
I need a special sweeper as well. If anyone can think of one i would really appreciate it.



Slaking-Adamant-Shell Bell
EQ
Giga Impact
Brick Break
Aerial Ace

Tyranitar-Naughty-?
Giga impact
Crunch
Rock Slide

Chansey-Calm-leftovers
Aeromatherapy
Skill Swap
Softboiled
Egg Bomb

Bastiodon- Bold-?
Metal Burst
Iron Defense
Toxic
Roar



Salamence-Lonely-Scope lens
Crunch
Brick Break
Dragon Claw
EQ

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keltic torchic wrote:
its too confusing. how do you keep track of evs? who even made evs up? its not in the game and nintendo never said anything about dvs, evs, ivs.
its just stupid.


Um, yes they are in the game. Nintendo just ignores them because they suck like that. They don't like to help out people in any way. Their guide books are full of nothing competitive but type matchups.

EDIT: To the above: That team is honestly nothing but a mess. We could help you, but then we'd be building a team for you. And this is not the thread for that.


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OFF TOPIC-I wont be here on Psypokes a lot now maybe only 2morrow.
ON TOPIC-Look what I left you, 4 ever, PL, and Sapp,(not forgetting sanjay) anyway I got a bad headache so I can't rate now

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How would you guys rate this?

Luxray {luxray}
Item- King's rock
Ev's- 252 speed, 252 attack and 4 in hp
Bite
Thunder fang
Fire fang/ ice fang
Thunder wave/ Scary face

Think about it, With bite and king's rock your opponent will keep flinching.
Combined with thunder wave it will have the opportunity to strike first and make them flinch. The paralysis also keeps them still.


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