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charizardcharmeleon
Psychic Trainer
Joined: Sun May 27, 2007 3:07 am Posts: 63 Location: on my charizard riding round my house!
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Need help deciding evs, natures and 3rd pokemon.
Team:
 Nickname: Striker
Item:???
Nature: ???
252 Atk ??? Spd ??? HP
Swords Dance
Close Combat
Extremespeed
Ice Punch
 Nickname: Comet
Item: Leftovers.
Nature: ???
252 Def ??? HP ??? Sp Def
Wish
Toxic
Baton Pass
Payback/Sucker Punch
Need a 3rd. Umbreon is for healing lucario/other pokemon. Send umbreon in, use wish. Next turn Toxic others or baton pass back to lucario.
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Tue Jun 30, 2009 10:47 am |
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Pokemon Ranger
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you don't need to baton pass to get the wish boost
since both Umbreon and Lucario are weak to fight types
I'd go for a special sweeper that resitant to Fighting like gengar
Adamant for physical sweepers
Modest for special
Then Impish for Umbreon, the 10% stat boost in the Defensive stat makes it almost even
then go for 252 HP, 164 DF, and 92 SD Discounting IVs its defensive stats should be the same.
as for Items give physical sweeper muscle band and special swepers wise glasses.
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Tue Jun 30, 2009 12:14 pm |
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Electrike!
Dragon Tamer
Joined: Mon Apr 06, 2009 2:29 pm Posts: 123 Location: What, you want directions or something?
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Yes, Gengar would be a great 3rd Pokemon.
I like this set:
Gengar@Life Orb
6 HP/252 SpA/252 Spe
Timid/Modest
~Shadow Ball
~Focus Blast
~Thunderbolt
~Hidden Power [Fire]/Hypnosis
Shadow Ball and Focus Blast have perfect coverage. Thunderbolt takes out Water and Flying types more easily. The last slot is determined if you want to spend forever breeding for Hidden Power, since HP Fire will OHKO Scizor. Hypnosis will work if you don't want to do that.
For Umbreon, give it Curse rather than Baton Pass and its EVs can be 252 HP/200 Atk/58 SpD. Trust me, Curse Umbreon is beastly.
Lucario could use 252 Atk/252 Spe/6 HP, and consider Crunch over Ice Punch.
Good luck with your team!
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Tue Jun 30, 2009 12:47 pm |
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charizardcharmeleon
Psychic Trainer
Joined: Sun May 27, 2007 3:07 am Posts: 63 Location: on my charizard riding round my house!
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Ice punch was intended for Gliscors and other grounds. But if theyre not common ill replace it.
EDIT: How far will i go with this, could i possibly get a 50/100 streak?
EDIT2: With umbreons speed, am i better with payback?
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Tue Jun 30, 2009 1:09 pm |
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Electrike!
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Now that I think about it, keep Ice Punch. My bad.
And use Sassy/Relaxed nature on Umbreon to give it low speed along with Curse's Speed drop so that Payback will be more powerful.
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Tue Jun 30, 2009 1:36 pm |
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lordtomato
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But Electrike, his Umbreon is a healer, in which case, loading up on curses would be wasted if he switches out.
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Tue Jun 30, 2009 2:37 pm |
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Electrike!
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lordtomato wrote: But Electrike, his Umbreon is a healer, in which case, loading up on curses would be wasted if he switches out.
That is true, but if he used Curse once, he would be better using Payback and have a Defense boost, even if he lost it a couple of turns later. It only uses up one turn and Baton Pass isn't really needed unless he used a Trap Passer Umbreon, which would make Curse unneeded.
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Tue Jun 30, 2009 2:45 pm |
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charizardcharmeleon
Psychic Trainer
Joined: Sun May 27, 2007 3:07 am Posts: 63 Location: on my charizard riding round my house!
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Lordtomato does have a point, but if lucario faints and the pokemon has the power to ko gengar i might send out umbreon to see how it reacts.
Oh and also, smogon said that if you're going to use ice punch you should use a jolly nature lucario.
What pokemon do i have to chain breed for wish?
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Wed Jul 01, 2009 9:59 am |
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Pokemon Ranger
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Because I just breed said Umbreon with wish (I don't have any more )
It has to be smeargle that sketched wish from an xatu or something
Also Lucario I would suggest that instead of extreme speed you go with
a move that covers shedinja who is suprisingly often used in competitions
Crunch
Shadow claw
Rock slide
Also I'd suggest Giving Umbreon
Dig to deal with steel and posion types It worked great for me in the champion ships
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Thu Jul 02, 2009 9:24 am |
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charizardcharmeleon
Psychic Trainer
Joined: Sun May 27, 2007 3:07 am Posts: 63 Location: on my charizard riding round my house!
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I need a smeargle and a xatu. So, just a question, can you trace your allies in double battles? If you can it might me a bit simpler.
Oh and for shedinja, read the earlier posts and you might fight out im training a gengar with shadow ball.
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Thu Jul 02, 2009 9:34 am |
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Pokemon Ranger
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If you mean skech your allies yes you can,
The reason I suggest shadow claw is that if for some reason lucario is your last poke againest a shedinja its defenceless. I alway make each pokemon so it can Hit every pokemon neutrallly
to do this use the attack type analzler in the psy dex, the only two type combo is a fighting move and a ghost move
other include
Fire, Ground, (Dragon/Dark/Ghost/Ice)
etc
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Fri Jul 03, 2009 5:02 am |
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charizardcharmeleon
Psychic Trainer
Joined: Sun May 27, 2007 3:07 am Posts: 63 Location: on my charizard riding round my house!
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Im training a haunter right now, i found a trick, instead of trading a pokemon for it to evolve deposit it in GTS and take it out, when you get oit back it will evolve.
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