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Does anyone know what the machine is?

Is it possible that the Machine Part 2 which I might still be holding for all I know connects to this in some way? And yeah, I've been wondering about the likely Machine Part 1.

Dead Space Item. . . Codex. Hrmmm. I just googled that. A codex tend to be a book, usually hand-written. Is there any way that knowing this might be relevant? Maybe on what it does? This is just a stab in the dark, so *Shrug*.

I think. . . I'm starting to get this game. S-l-o-w-l-y.

And Kiga, it's a good idea as far as I know - which isn't much. You also forgot to mention the Jack the first time, so that might be a good idea to add on.

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I was just acting off of GhostPony's post to start with, because I wasn't sure if it was overstepping any bounds or not, but he had already volunteered the information for ChillBill anyway. I'm in the same boat that you're in, Kirlia; this is the first time that I've played as well, so I'm unsure of what a good thing to do is or not. Anyway, DNA, you have a point; this list can only be built upon posts in the thread, unless someone has some sort of item scrying ability? But I'll wait for HW to say something before I continue with the list.


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Here's a crackpot theory, but I have a theory that every innocent player has some sort of win condition
And that most(?) player characters are in a game that involve some sort of "Zombie" type enemy

Can anyone say if one of these are true?

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Wailord_2 has been passed the Egg. He may not speak with anyone, in-thread or with any others he may be cooperating with.
This will last until the end of the day.

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...and then everyone was silent.
Seriously people; we're playing WW here.

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Isn't today supposed to be the end of the day? I don't think we got a midday notice, did we? You might want to remove your vote for Wailord, if his lurking is being enforced by the egg.

HW didn't say anything about compiling a list of items, so I'll go ahead and work on that later.


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We need to lynch SOMEONE.

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UNVOTE: Wailord_2

VOTE: DNA

First, he is not completely cleared. Second, if he really can place marks as he says, then he's the equivalent of a serial killer. Serial killers are one of the most dangerous roles for the town, are often indies, and usually not a bad lynch.

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ChillBill, I did say yesterday that I offered to use my power to place a mark on a player you thought would be suspicious. Did you miss that?

And I don't think mark-placing is the equivalent of a 'serial killer'. You need 4 marks to kill someone; serial killers just off someone outright. While it's true I could just focus my marks all on one person, that is a slow and highly ineffective way of killing anyone.

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Does a vote to lynch kill, or mark? No one was killed during the last round, so I'm not sure.

VOTE: Fletchling

I don't fully understand the mechanics behind the Birdseed, but from what I do understand, Fletchling can heal himself by passing the item, while also marking the receiver. I know I'm probably missing something there, but that seems more dangerous than DNA's ability. DNA doesn't have to mark anyone, himself. At the same time, I don't see why anyone would want the Birdseed aside from Fletchling.

Now, the receiver may be able to pass the item back to Fletchling, but the thing that I don't understand is the timing of the activation of Fletchling's ability. Can you call it yourself, or does it happen at a set time automatically. Either way, the timing could be manipulated to make sure that someone has it. Therefore, if lynch votes only give marks, then Fletchling would be unable to be killed via lynch votes.


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Three deaths as of right now. That Birdseed is a bit underpowered, imo. Now if you can put together a lynch soon, you might actually be able to win this game.

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It doesn't make sense for a lynch to place just a mark. It's got to be an outright kill.

Voting for Fletchling is a waste of a lynch. We want to use the lynch to get rid of werewolves and besides, we still don't know if the birdseed dies with Fletchling.

I agree that DNA is still not clear and his actions two nights ago (i.e. JsXtm's reasoning) still make him the most suspicious player. I also don't quite agree with his decisions to have placed marks either; we didn't offer suggestions because we didn't want people marked.

VOTE: DNA

Am I convinced that DNA is a wolf? No. But we should lynch someone and for better or worse, his game-play has made him the best candidate in my opinion. It's a better lynch than Fletchling, anyway, and it doesn't look like anyone else is going to get targeted so the tie needs to be broken.

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Guys, if you don't mind... I would rather not kill any active players. If the player we lynch end up being a townie, we just lost a good player. But if we kill one of those inactives, we have some chances to find an hidding scum, but if it's a townie, whatever, he's not playing.

But I have to agree that DNa doesn't act.. logically. It's up toy you guys. o_O

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You may need to send me a message on Beach for me to come back... otherwise I might not.

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SanguinaryScientist wrote:
Here's a crackpot theory, but I have a theory that every innocent player has some sort of win condition
And that most(?) player characters are in a game that involve some sort of "Zombie" type enemy

Can anyone say if one of these are true?


So no one has any idea about this?
Because if JsXtm had an instant win-con, I have a hunch that other players do as well
and I cant help but feel that im going to get eaten by the wolves later tonight

And if you havent noticed yet, im just going to out with it
"Why would I know what 'The machine' is"
"Why is there an item called the codex?"
"Why, according to this, mean that when the codex and machine come together, something magical happens?"

Tic tock goes my clock
In theory, if we all just out with what items we "Need" atleast some people can win right?

I single handily killed myself

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Kiga wrote:
No one was killed during the last round, so I'm not sure.

That's because there weren't enough votes for a simple majority. I would assume that lynches just kill, not mark. Having lynches just mark sounds a bit silly and ludicrously underpowered.

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I also don't quite agree with his decisions to have placed marks either; we didn't offer suggestions because we didn't want people marked.

If you want, I can just simply not mark anyone tonight (that has actually been my plan, as I don't really see anyone as being out of the ordinary), as a gesture of good faith. Will that be sufficient for you?

@GP750: Filter got replaced by twistedturtwig. You don't need to worry about that.

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I agree that DNA is still not clear and his actions two nights ago (i.e. JsXtm's reasoning) still make him the most suspicious player.

My marking choices so far have been GP750 and Fletchling. I explained both of those: firstly to GP because another player in the game perceived him as a threat, and having no other leads to that I believed there was sufficient reason for this (which I now see as a lapse in judgment); secondly to Fletchling because I wished for him to give an ability to prove his claim.

Though I STILL think he (that is, Fletchling) is a dangerous player, due to his ability to indiscriminately mark people, and having a rather deadly item floating around as long as he's alive. I would much rather not take my chances. Kiga appears to think similarly (though probably not fully identical to me).

As for you finding me suspicious, I'm not sure I follow you because I always act like this in Werewolf games. Anyone who has played prior games of WW with me can attest to this. And just as JsXtm was not entirely open with his information, so neither am I. That isn't being suspicious; that's playing it safe.

When all is said and done,
VOTE: Fletchling

If we must lynch someone today, I would rather it be him.

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Forgot to address this point:

Cherrygrove wrote:
we still don't know if the birdseed dies with Fletchling.

Its effect might, however.

It's my opinion that, when a player dies, the item(s) that player is currently holding will die with them. Kiga currently has the birdseed, true, but its effect only seems to occur when the birdseed changes hands and Fletchling is involved coming or going.

WW games with a multitude of items in them usually operate under "items held by dead players die too", and I don't think this is any different.

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DNA wrote:
@GP750: Filter got replaced by twistedturtwig. You don't need to worry about that.

Ah... I say HW should update the first post then. 3:

I guess I'll follow the bandwagon, and try to lynch an inactive player the next day.

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Forgot to vote:

Vote... Oh my, it's up to me to choose who dies! D:

Vote: Fletchling

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While Fletchling may be able to harm people, he said that his wincon involves holding the birdseed. While people may be harmed by passing it, he would lose his birdseed if the person he passed it to died, whether by coincidence or whether the birdseed directly caused it. The birdseed would likely be lost to him forever, and he would lose. HW even said that birdseed was way underpowered.

So yeah, I don't think Fletchling is a threat.

VOTE: DNA

Marking people is bad. DNA should stop marking people. If it's part of his wincon, then his wincon is probably fatal to us and we should not permit his presence in our little town much longer. If it's not part of his wincon, then him marking people blindly is helping the scum and we should stop that either by asking politely for him to cease and desist or by ganging up on and then brutally murdering him.

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If it's not part of his wincon, then him marking people blindly is helping the scum and we should stop that either by asking politely for him to cease and desist


DNA wrote:
If you want, I can just simply not mark anyone tonight (that has actually been my plan, as I don't really see anyone as being out of the ordinary), as a gesture of good faith. Will that be sufficient for you?


Going to take that as a yes.

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DNA wrote:

Cherrygrove wrote:
I agree that DNA is still not clear and his actions two nights ago (i.e. JsXtm's reasoning) still make him the most suspicious player.

As for you finding me suspicious, I'm not sure I follow you because I always act like this in Werewolf games. Anyone who has played prior games of WW with me can attest to this. And just as JsXtm was not entirely open with his information, so neither am I. That isn't being suspicious; that's playing it safe.




Sorry when I said you were "most suspicious" I wasn't referring to your behaviour in the game but only meant to say that I thought you most likely to be a wolf at this point. I still don't quite understand why you marked GP the first night. You said that you were sure that he isn't scum so what do you suppose would make him so threatening? And why has your opinion of him changed since then?

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Also I totally forgot about my item so

UNVOTE: DNA

Remember, we don't learn anything by lynching Fletchling and he's not terribly dangerous. At the very least he's a number on our side that can help us vote against the wolves. Whatever DNA turns out to be, we get some new info to work with.

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It was because some other player marked him, I thought he might be threatening because some other player thought he was.
I now realize it was a lapse in judgment.

I'm not going to go mark GP anymore (or ANYONE, for that matter) unless asked (which equates to 'never').

This is the first game I've played with death marks, but I know ineptitude is no excuse.

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Sorry when I said you were "most suspicious" I wasn't referring to your behaviour in the game but only meant to say that I thought you most likely to be a wolf at this point.

Fair enough.

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Before someone dies and night falls I want to request that both the Codex and the Machine be returned to me

Even if I never had the machine in the first place, it would still be nice

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VOTE: FLETCHLING

Because the Birdseed makes me wary. I am probably allowed to state whether or whether not I actually have a wincon, right? In response to Scientist.

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