uh who are you? that was just one big soup of letters

i have nothing against tigerx10 nor snowball. in fact, i appreciate their work. there's no need to interrupt this discussion with your wisetalk when the only thing i wanted to say is that tigerx10, in this case, clearly doesnt know what he is talking about. if i should shut up just because he has a higher ''rank'' than me, that's just ridiculous. i'm not flaming him in any way, we were discussing something. welcome tot the internet.

now bugger off

I'm daveshan and at least my "soup of letters" :roll: had proper grammar.




Yeah, you really appreciate them. Show any more appreciation and you'll run the risk of being called a brown noser.

Once again, showing how much you apprecaite what he does.





See 3rd, 4th, and 5th Cless quote.

And I welcome you to common sense. Telling someone that they have no idea what they are doing because what you wanted them to do didn't happen is not a discussion.

The #1 opening sentence when being flamed: ''Use proper grammar, you can't spell for *beep*.''

To counter back with the #1 opening sentence when being flamed for bad grammar: "I'm foreign, English isn't my first language." (It seriously isn't, I'm from Belgium). And in this case, I didn't even see anything wrong with my grammar except for not using capitals. But leave it, you're right.

Just tell me how I can't appreciate tigerx10's work? Because I don't agree with him at this certain point? I've probably been here longer than you, and I never disagreed on anything what tigerx10 said. In fact, I even think he was, at that point, more experienced than I was. Now, I've been away for quite a long time and I learned quite some stuff when I wasn't around. What's wrong with a discussion on the internet? I'm not someone who agrees with everything a Moderator says, they are human too, they make mistakes too. I'm currently a Moderator on another Pok

Getting back on topic, I tried an old goody on Ariados in a UU game and found it to be quite good.

@petaya (+attack in a pinch)
Nature:Adament
EVs 252 att, 252 spd, 6 hp
Ability: Swarm

I believe you mean Liechi, as Petaya is used for Special Attack. However, a standard for Ariados is quite similar. The main difference is the Endure-Berry combo. Although I wouldn't consider it creative enough, it could be edited into the standard.

By the way, that standard is:

Ariados @ Lefties
Adamant | Insomnia
252 Atk, 252 Spd, 6 HP
~Agility
~Screech/Return
~Sludge Bomb
~Signal Beam

Whoops . Yeah, liechi.

How 'bout a Toxi-Moltres?

@ Leftovers
Bold, Pressure
EVs: 252 Hp, Remainder divided evenly between Def. and Sp. Def.
Toxic
FireSpin
Fly
Roar/Flamethrower

I'm not sure if Roar or Flamethrower would work better. Both are for Anti-Toxic types. Fly is there to give Toxic another turn to work without taking any damage yourself, plus it's good against HealBellers like Blissey. Unless of course the Blissey has Counter. Flamethrower would require some EVs in Sp. Attack, and FireSpin is there to hold the opponent until it's dead. And, of course, Pressure helps the opponent lose PP on moves even when Moltres is Flying.

Use Protect instead of Fly, they'll just switch out. And Fire Spin really has no use in Advance battles. It's only useful in RBY. I'd suggest Substitute over Fire Spin, or HP Grass if you're worried about Swampert. You can stall that dude anyway. I can see this work btw, Moltres has decent speed and in conjunction with a well played Dugtrio this may cause some havoc. If the only reason you're using Fly is Blissey, don't. Blissey can easily take 10 STAB Fly from Moltres. Especially the max def. Bold nature ones, which are standard. And you'll take damage anyway when you land the Fly.

??? Blah? Did you read my strategy at all? The whole point of FireSpin is to keep the opponent from switching. And with Pressure, they run out of PP twice as fast.

Well, once Fire Spin's over, they'll probably just switch out anyway. Fire Spin is a random number of turns from two to five that the opponent will be trapped. So, if you get unlucky, you could be stuck Flying when your Fire Spin goes. Then your opponent would just switch.

If you want the opponent to run out of PP quickly and more effectively, give it Protect like Cless said. You can't get hit at all (moves that can hit Fly for example, but it's not like they're used often), and you can do something else the next turn, like another Fire Spin. The only disadvantage of Protect over Fly being that it doesn't cause damage.

I also don't see the point of Roar on it, if you want to be trapping them with Fire Spin. Substitute would have great potential there combined with Protect. That could probably work for the Roar/Flamethrower.

The only main problem I see with it is what you can do after Fire Spin gets done and the opponent switches, but I think it has a good chance to work.

Doesn't work on Flash Fire Pok

Nope, just sleep and freeze.

You forgot houndoom, houndooms can also have flash fire.

No problem everyone.

I can't speak for the items, nature, or EVs, but I had another Lanturn:

-Thunderbolt
-Surf
-Substitute
-Ice Beam

I found the Attack stats to be much too low to attempt somehting like Body Slam or Mega Punch, and the Defense too low to rely on against (say) a rock attack user. So I put in Substitute. It also helped when I was double battling using Lanturn and Graveller (using Earthquake).

I considered switching for Thunder, Hydropump, and Blizzard but the accuracy rate got to me. Was that just me or a general problem?




I once used Umbreon as a tank (I think). Moonlight, Faint Attack, Confuse Ray, Sand Attack. I don't think it's HP was so great, but its SD/Def stats were pretty high. Faint Attack because it's a dark type and needed at least 1 offensive skill.

I haven't seen a Charizard, but if I'm doubling anyone I apologize.

Charizard @ Leftovers
(N)Adamant, (A)Blaze
-Flamethrower
-Steel Wing
-Aerial Ace
-Slash/Dragon Claw

I considered Heat Wave and Blast Burn over Flamethrower, but the trade of power for accuracy was unacceptable I thought. Aerial Ace was because it doesn't allow for missing, whereas Wing Attack does. Metal Claw didn't have Steel Wing's power. I'm trying to decide between Dragon Claw and Slash. Just that I already have 2 physical attacks and 1 special so maybe Dragon Claw. But then the Attack stat is slightly higher than SA.

First of all, wenziz, instead of triple posting, use the Edit button found in the top right corner of your post. I cleaned it up, so don't worry about it now.

Also, those posts you quoted were from the first page, which was a pretty long time ago. So your comments and personal things that you've tried out don't have any effect on them.

With your Charizard, it's just mixed sweeping so it's not very creative.


Alakazam/Gardevoir: I remember testing a similar set for Gardevoir actually. That one was:

Gardevoir @ Leftovers
Ev's: 129 Hp, 252 Att, 129 Spd
Ability: Synchronize
Nature:Adament
Skill Swap
Toxic
Facade
Destiny Bond/Wish

Not much difference to the strategy, but not exactly the same either. I recall that it didn't usually get the strategy working all the way before it fainted, and even when it worked, Facade didn't do much damage. I don't think it would make any difference at all if I tested a slight variation.

Hello all, I have been battling competitively with family and friends for a few years now, and have in that time come up with a few interesting non-standard sets. Props to my cousin for most of these, he refuses to use standard movesets...

@Salac Berry, Adamant
Rock Slide/Knock Off/Flail/Swords Dance

The premise is fairly simple; SD up until the Salac kicks in, then sweep.

@Leftovers, Quirky
Earthquake/Surf/Yawn/Focus Punch

What my cousin calls a 'yawnpuncher'. Yawn, then hit the Pokemon that is likely being switched in with a free Focus Punch.

@Light Ball, Modest
Thunderbolt/Surf/Encore/Substitute

If set up properly, this thing is a killer Set up a sub, and hope the other guy was using a non-damaging move. If so, Encore it and start Thunderbolting stuff to pieces. Extremely fun if done correctly

@Leftovers, Calm
Sheer Cold/Horn Drill/Sleep Talk/Rest

Owch. If you let this beast stay alive for long enough, it can wipe out an entire team... with PP Ups, you have 16 shots at a OHKO, just don't pull it out against something with a Sturdy trait :roll:

There you have it, rate them as you wish. They work well enough for me

Are we allowed to submit double battle pairs for the HoF?