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daveshan
Pokemon Master
Joined: Thu Nov 03, 2005 2:23 pm Posts: 1959 Location: Va
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Ok, I've come up with two.
@lum/leftovers
A-Levitate
N-Modest
EV's: SSS (special sweeper set) (252 Sp. Att, 252 Spd, 6 Hp)
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Fri May 26, 2006 6:18 pm |
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JsXtm
Gym Leader
Joined: Fri Sep 02, 2005 1:34 pm Posts: 2204 Location: Madison, WI
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Hmm. On Gengar, I would say go with either Fire Punch or Thunderbolt, but not Ice Punch; Fire punch does 2x damage to Steel, one of the three types Psychic has a problem with. Thunderbolt, on the other hand, does normal damage to Steel, but has better base power, making it a bit more effective against the other two problem types, Psychic and Dark. Ice Punch has the same power as Fire Punch, but then is .5x effective to Steel instead of 2x.
And, I know I'm not a rater, but I would say that both of those sets deserve a test. Finally, a pretty effective use for Dream Eater, a really cool but very difficult to use attack.
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Fri May 26, 2006 7:45 pm |
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wenziz
Psychic Trainer
Joined: Thu Mar 23, 2006 7:52 am Posts: 90 Location: Singapore
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While I agree with the points on the pokemon themselves, I feel compelled to point out that Gengar is hardly "creative", Hyp-DE is (in many cases) standard, and even if it were replaced by Psychic, Thunderbolt is a fairly popular alternate attack like with Gardevoir (I think). I personally used Fire and Ice Punch on my Gengar a while back, and while it's (I think) a good battler, that's about all it's good at.
On the other hand, Mean Look I haven't seen much on Gengar, but then perhaps something like Toxic would be better, along with an HP-gaining attack.
Can't say on Jynx, but it looks interesting. Something like a Sing-DE Altaria I saw a while back with Ice Beam and Dragon Breath (I think)
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Fri May 26, 2006 7:56 pm |
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sN0wBaLL
Lite Four
Joined: Tue Nov 02, 2004 3:03 am Posts: 3827 Location: Singapore
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The Hypnosis-Dream Eater combo for Gengar is a common set in-game, so perhaps the Jynx set should be the one which should be tested.
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Sat May 27, 2006 12:58 am |
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daveshan
Pokemon Master
Joined: Thu Nov 03, 2005 2:23 pm Posts: 1959 Location: Va
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I agree in-game a hypnosis-dream eater combo is common. However, you rarely see it, heck I've never seen it, on net battle or in any person vs. person compition because everyone just switches out as soon as they are put to sleep.
Not only does this solve the switching problem, but it also catches a person off gaurd. After all, like I said above, who uses dream eater when you're facing a person?
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Sat May 27, 2006 6:31 am |
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sN0wBaLL
Lite Four
Joined: Tue Nov 02, 2004 3:03 am Posts: 3827 Location: Singapore
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This has never been a Netbattle or competitive battling Creative Movesets Thread. Sets are compared to both the in-game and competitive movesets most of the time.
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Sat May 27, 2006 6:50 am |
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daveshan
Pokemon Master
Joined: Thu Nov 03, 2005 2:23 pm Posts: 1959 Location: Va
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Oh yeah.
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Sat May 27, 2006 11:30 am |
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goldenquagsire
Art Commentator
Joined: Tue Apr 11, 2006 11:39 am Posts: 2467 Location: London, UK
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Tell me if this has been done before, but 60 pages is a bit much to check through.
A Choice-Band Quagsire!
- 252 Att. 252 Def. 6 HP @ Choice Band
Ancientpower
Brick Break
Earthquake
Iron Tail
Or, you could have a sweeper Quagsire
- 252 Att. 252 Def. 6 HP @ Lefties
Rock Tomb
Brick Break
Mud Shot (More PP than Earthquake)
Curse
Whaddya think?
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Tue May 30, 2006 12:27 am |
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wenziz
Psychic Trainer
Joined: Thu Mar 23, 2006 7:52 am Posts: 90 Location: Singapore
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EDIT: Good point Dave, editting now. Pity it can't learn Bulk Up.
'fraid I don't agree with CB sweeping, or CB in general actually, I like versatility. so if you're asking which I prefer I say minus the CB and with Earthquake. Always prefered it over Mud Shot except when I was using it with Marshtomp, lovely thing that. While we're still on part Ground-types:
@ ??
Poison Point | Calm
200-SD 200-Def 110-SA
>Surf
>Rain Dance
>Thunder
>Ice Beam
In my experience, Nidoking is a physical sweeper. My thought was based off a surfing Nidoking. Of course, if it's still too standard I'm sorry.
@ Leftovers
Early Bird | Bold
200-SD 200-Def 110-HP
>Rest/Wish
>Substitute
>Reversal/Double Team
>Aerial Ace/Shadow Ball/Toxic
Not so sure, meant it to be a tanker, but I'm not so sure I got it right.
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Tue May 30, 2006 2:54 am |
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daveshan
Pokemon Master
Joined: Thu Nov 03, 2005 2:23 pm Posts: 1959 Location: Va
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Your kangaskhan won't be too good as a tanker without some way to power up its defenses.
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Tue May 30, 2006 7:35 am |
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wenziz
Psychic Trainer
Joined: Thu Mar 23, 2006 7:52 am Posts: 90 Location: Singapore
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Again, I've yet to find one like it, how about a draining Tropius?
@ Leftovers
Chlorophyll | Bold
200-HP 200-SD 110-Def
>Leech Seed
>Fly
>Magical Leaf
>Synthesis
Only the first 2 are static, partnerned with (say) a Houndoom you could switch Magical Leaf for Solarbeam and go double Solarbeam using Sunny Day from Houndoom while Leechseed goes in the first turn. Fly allows it to heal in the air, Leftovers AND Leech Seed is no small amount. Something like Rain Dish would be even better, but as it stands, Synthesis could be switched for Protect (alternate with Fly) and Magical Leaf could be switched for Attract/Safeguard/Substitute. Even throw in Swagger over Fly and its only problem would be Grass types and Rapid Spinners (I think).
Thoughts anyone?
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Thu Jun 01, 2006 4:45 am |
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mr.m.m.j.
Pokemon Ranger
Joined: Sat Jun 11, 2005 7:25 am Posts: 531 Location: ¬_¬
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If the main objective of this Tropius is draining then I think you should replace Magical Leaf with Giga Drain.
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Thu Jun 01, 2006 4:55 am |
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wenziz
Psychic Trainer
Joined: Thu Mar 23, 2006 7:52 am Posts: 90 Location: Singapore
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mr.m.m.j. wrote: If the main objective of this Tropius is draining then I think you should replace Magical Leaf with Giga Drain.
And alternate Giga Drain/Fly/Protect? Sounds interesting...thanks!
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Thu Jun 01, 2006 6:44 am |
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daveshan
Pokemon Master
Joined: Thu Nov 03, 2005 2:23 pm Posts: 1959 Location: Va
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I would ditch fly altogether. The reason you don't fly, dig, or dive is because it gives your foe a chance to switch to a pokemon that can take advantage of you and with a 4x weakness to ice, tropiuses would fall pretty fast.
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Thu Jun 01, 2006 7:08 pm |
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wenziz
Psychic Trainer
Joined: Thu Mar 23, 2006 7:52 am Posts: 90 Location: Singapore
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daveshan wrote: I would ditch fly altogether. The reason you don't fly, dig, or dive is because it gives your foe a chance to switch to a pokemon that can take advantage of you and with a 4x weakness to ice, tropiuses would fall pretty fast.
Agreed, but the point behind Fly was the same as Dive on Ludicolo, since both and can learn Leech Seed. Add in Leftovers and you're healing a good amount every turn, double that with Fly because only Sky Uppercut hits you when on the Fly (literally). But I agree, Trumpius would fall pretty quick to a good ice beam.
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Thu Jun 01, 2006 7:28 pm |
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JsXtm
Gym Leader
Joined: Fri Sep 02, 2005 1:34 pm Posts: 2204 Location: Madison, WI
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No, there are like three besides Sky Uppercut (Gust comes to mind), but I think that's the best/most commonly used.
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Thu Jun 01, 2006 9:16 pm |
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wenziz
Psychic Trainer
Joined: Thu Mar 23, 2006 7:52 am Posts: 90 Location: Singapore
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Oh. Good point, I hadn't thought of that, but it's only 40..80? Gooder point. Well, whatever the last 2 are, thanks for the comments
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Fri Jun 02, 2006 2:42 am |
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Mutant_Mewtwo
Pokemon Ranger
Joined: Tue Dec 20, 2005 2:37 am Posts: 582
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The last to are Twister and Thunder, and Thunder will hit a Tropius hard
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Fri Jun 02, 2006 5:25 am |
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daveshan
Pokemon Master
Joined: Thu Nov 03, 2005 2:23 pm Posts: 1959 Location: Va
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Well, not hard since it is also a grass type, but it will hurt him bad.
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Fri Jun 02, 2006 5:40 am |
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tessa7338
Pokemon Ranger
Joined: Sat Feb 19, 2005 11:47 pm Posts: 603 Location: Red Sands
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Anti-Escape Moves: (off the top of my head so forgive incompleteness)
Fly:
Gust, Twister
Dive:
Surf (tried this myself)
Dig:
EQ, Magnitude
Bounce:
Sky Uppercut (tried this myself)
Sky Uppercut hits Bounce, not Fly (unless it hits both). I can't htink of anymore escape movs.
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Fri Jun 02, 2006 6:20 am |
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RUBEN
Psychic Trainer
Joined: Fri Apr 28, 2006 10:06 pm Posts: 50 Location: ......?
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tessa7338 wrote: Anti-Escape Moves: (off the top of my head so forgive incompleteness)
Bounce:
Sky Uppercut (tried this myself)
Sky Uppercut hits Bounce, not Fly (unless it hits both). I can't htink of anymore escape movs.
Thunder too hits bounce I tested it
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Fri Jun 02, 2006 12:55 pm |
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Mutant_Mewtwo
Pokemon Ranger
Joined: Tue Dec 20, 2005 2:37 am Posts: 582
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I'm not to sure if this is to creative but i've never seen it before
Persian @ Leftovers
Nature: Modest
EV's: 252 Sp.Att / 252 Spd / 6 HP
Rain Dance
Thunder
Water Pulse
HP Psychic/Ice
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Mon Jun 05, 2006 9:40 am |
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daveshan
Pokemon Master
Joined: Thu Nov 03, 2005 2:23 pm Posts: 1959 Location: Va
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Wouldn't HP ice be better for pokemon that resist thunder and water pulse?
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Mon Jun 05, 2006 10:19 am |
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Mutant_Mewtwo
Pokemon Ranger
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Yes it would, i was thinking Psychic just to get rid of Fighting Types, so there are 2 possibilities
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Mon Jun 05, 2006 10:27 am |
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daveshan
Pokemon Master
Joined: Thu Nov 03, 2005 2:23 pm Posts: 1959 Location: Va
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Grrr. tiger always take a few days off whenever I submit a good creative moveset. How dare he have social life and other things to do when I want him to do something for me for free. >.<
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