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Pluto, no longer a planet
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Pokemaniac Robb
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"Pluto No Longer A Planet, Demoted To 'Dwarf'
Thursday August 24, 2006
Pluto, the ninth and smallest planet of our solar system, has just been demoted.
Astronomers gathered in Prague decided that it didn't fit historic new guidelines on what constitutes a planet. Pluto had held that distinction since its discovery in 1930.
It has now been reclassified as a "dwarf planet" in a new category for minor planets.
"It could be argued that we are creating an umbrella called planet under which the dwarf planets exist," said neutron star specialist Jocelyn Bell Burnell, who was overseeing the proceedings.
The International Astronomical Union made the controversial decision after a week of bickering over that issue and others relating to the cosmos.
The group came up with a set of basic rules a celestial object have to meet before it can be classified as a planet.
The new planet definition reads as follows: "a celestial body that is in orbit around the sun, has sufficient mass for its self-gravity to overcome rigid body forces so that it assumes a ... nearly round shape, and has cleared the neighbourhood around its orbit."
Pluto is smaller than Earth's moon and has what experts consider to be an eccentric orbit - overlapping with Neptune's. That's part of the reason for re-classifying it.
Not since the time of Copernicus have scientists had a strict definition on what makes a planet.
The change means the classical solar system now has eight planets - Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune.
Two other objects that were flirting with 'planethood' have also now been classified as dwarfs - the asteroid Ceres and 2003 UB313, an icy orb larger than Pluto. Charon, the largest of Pluto's three moons is no longer being considered for special designation.
A third class of sun-orbiting objects was also determined - "small solar system bodies" will apply to asteroids, comets and other natural satellites.
The final decision was met with applause by most of the 2,500 astronomers from 75 countries attending the conference."
or check here-
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/08/24/pluto_demoted/
Thoughts?
Last edited by Pokemaniac Robb on Sat Aug 26, 2006 8:40 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Thu Aug 24, 2006 11:22 am |
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ceasethereal
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well idk why someome would just all of a sudden decide to just demote pluto. maybe there wasnt enough excitiment in the astronomy department these days.
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Thu Aug 24, 2006 11:59 am |
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goldenquagsire
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FANTASTIC NEWS! SO IMPORTANT! :roll:
Pluto is a BIT too small for planet status, IMO.
They need to discover a new planet soon.
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Thu Aug 24, 2006 12:14 pm |
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Registeel_Rocks
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goldenquagsire wrote:
They need to discover a new planet soon.
There's quite a few in the validation/voting progress, including Pluto's moon.
Hopefully we'll get at least one new one to recover the loss of poor Pluto. (I never did like it that much anyways...)
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Thu Aug 24, 2006 12:45 pm |
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Miltank_94
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Actually, they have just found 3 new planets! Though, the planets haven't been officaly confirmed. I don't have any proof, but everybody, will see what I mean later on.
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Thu Aug 24, 2006 12:51 pm |
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Tenraikatana
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It's been debated for years that another planet, bigger than all the other nine (including the newly demoted Pluto) was lurking out there, way beyond Pluto but still in out solar sistem. I need to get updated before i can write more though...
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Thu Aug 24, 2006 12:55 pm |
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Krisp
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Miltank_94 wrote: Actually, they have just found 3 new planets! Though, the planets haven't been officaly confirmed. I don't have any proof, but everybody, will see what I mean later on.
- Miltank_94
Actually, they are discovering new planets all the time, in other solar systems. They found a planet that is the size of Jupiter, and revolves around the solar system's "sun" in 4 days. 
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Thu Aug 24, 2006 1:18 pm |
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Miasma
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So how do they know where our solar system ends and another begins? It seems that there is always a theorized planet out there somewhere that seems to get farther and farther away with each new theory. How do they know that this new planet isn't just on the outskirts of another solar system?
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Thu Aug 24, 2006 4:30 pm |
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DisehMoh
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Miasma wrote: So how do they know where our solar system ends and another begins? It seems that there is always a theorized planet out there somewhere that seems to get farther and farther away with each new theory. How do they know that this new planet isn't just on the outskirts of another solar system?
Uhh I think our astronomy teacher awsnered that. A solar sytem is a group of astronomical object that orbit a star or stars.
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Thu Aug 24, 2006 4:41 pm |
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pelligargetic
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I got e-mailed this a couple days ago. I thought it was pretty interesting:
Some smart people wrote: Discovery of the Week
12 Planets (and Counting)
Time to update your solar system?
Friends, our solar system has 12 planets, not nine as you've been told all your life. Or so says a committee of experts appointed by the International Astronomical Union (IAU), the folks who officially keep track of celestial bodies.
The IAU asked its committee to come up with an answer to the question "what is a planet?" Surprisingly, there's never been an official scientific definition. As one astronomer has lamented, "It's something of an embarrassment. . . . We live on a planet; it would be nice to know what that was."
Now, we will--assuming the IAU's members vote to approve the committee's recommended definition at a meeting in Prague this week. So, what does the new definition say? And what might a new map of the solar system look like?
Round and Unbound
According to the new definition, a planet is any celestial body that meets three criteria:
It orbits a star.
It's neither a star nor "a satellite of a planet" (a moon).
It's round. More technically, it "has sufficient mass for its self-gravity to overcome rigid body forces so that it assumes a hydrostatic equilibrium (nearly round) shape."
With this definition, the debate over whether Pluto's planetary license should be revoked ends. Tiny Pluto gets to be a planet after all. But so does Ceres, the largest asteroid in the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter. It's promoted from "largest asteroid" to "smallest planet" (or, more accurately, restored, since astronomers counted Ceres as a planet when they found it in 1801). Just 590 miles (950 km) wide, Ceres is less than half Pluto's width.
Two New "Plutons"
Along with Ceres, two other known celestial bodies would immediately become planets. One is the frigid, faraway object officially known as 2003 UB313, nicknamed Xena. At least as big as Pluto--and three times more distant--Xena's discovery helped push astronomers to define "planet."
The other is Charon, currently known as Pluto's main moon (Pluto has two other tiny moons, just discovered). Why should Charon count as a planet when our moon doesn't? Because--at more than half Pluto's size--Charon isn't really a satellite of Pluto. Instead, Pluto and Charon continually orbit each other. Under the new proposal, Pluto and Charon would count as a "double planet."
Pluto, Charon, and 2003 UB313 would also be part of a new class of planets called "plutons," which the proposal differentiates from the eight "classical planets." Like Pluto, the plutons take centuries to circle the sun, and their orbits are elongated and tilted compared with those of the classical planets. Scientists expect to find a lot more plutons in the years to come--perhaps dozens more.
Solar System Summary
It all sounds like radical change. But bear in mind that it's mainly a matter of nomenclature. On a journey out from the sun, you'll still find the following in our little solar system:
Four "terrestrial" planets: Mercury, Venus, Earth, and Mars. These planets are made mostly of rock, they have solid surfaces, and they don't have rings.
An asteroid belt beyond Mars and before Jupiter--though on your way through it, you probably won't see a single asteroid. It's far less crowded than you may think. By far the biggest body is Ceres. It accounts for about a third of the entire mass of the asteroid belt.
Four gas giants or "Jovian" planets: Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune. These are big, they're made mostly of gas, and they have rings.
Pluto, Charon, and a growing number of other "trans-Neptunian objects." These bodies are distant, cold, and to blame for our changing conceptions of "planet."
Astronomers didn't discover Pluto until 1930. They didn't discover Charon until 1978. And they didn't discover another "trans-Neptunian object" until 1992. Since then, they've discovered hundreds of them--some as big, or bigger, than Pluto. Whether we wind up calling these objects "planets," "plutons," or something else entirely, they're clearly part of a new astronomical frontier--and we're witnessing its birth.
Steve Sampson
August 21, 2006
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Thu Aug 24, 2006 4:47 pm |
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Birdknight
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I think they should make IO a planet. It is the largest of Jupiters moons. I know they can't because it revolves around JUpiter. But still...It's better than Pluto.
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Thu Aug 24, 2006 7:14 pm |
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sN0wBaLL
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Well I've always wondered about Pluto's designation as a planet anyway, so this news doesn't come as a huge surprise to me. If I'm not wrong the scientific community has been debating about Pluto for some time already.
Anyway I've always had more interest in Biology, so Astronomy and Astrophysics isn't as appealing to me. Unless, of course, they discover a planet which has similar atmospheric gaseous content to Earth, such that life is sustainable on the planet
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Fri Aug 25, 2006 3:53 am |
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rubypoke
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Apparently Pluto had the nearest gas-alikeness to Earth. But meh.
Im not surprised Pluto is a dwarf now, I was waiting for it to happen, it's a big asteroid imho. That happens to be caught in Neptune's grasp, being thrown about. That's my idea. Meh.
A planet's moon can't be a planet because even though it may circle the sun and orbit it, it also orbits the planet at the same time. Making it a follower of a planet.
Interesting.
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Fri Aug 25, 2006 5:56 am |
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dragonite
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But Pluto doesn't orbit Neptune.
Now what are we going to do about:
My Very Eager Mother Just Served Us Nine Pickles?
Oh, wait.
My Very Eager Mother Just Served Us Noodles
Yeah, that works.
I was suprised, but we never really learned about the Solar System(I'm in 7th grade :roll: ) sooo...
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Fri Aug 25, 2006 8:23 am |
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Registeel_Rocks
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dragonite wrote: My Very Eager Mother Just Served Us Noodles
I prefer this one:
My Very Exclusive Mobster Just Sent Uranium Noses
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Fri Aug 25, 2006 4:21 pm |
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heartofdarkness77
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to many big words but ya i feel bad for pluto
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Fri Aug 25, 2006 7:31 pm |
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Darkkend
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i love how the media work, I totaly forgot about high gas prices and extra security at the airport and hmm... was there a war being fought....? I dont know im to busy focusing my attention at Pluto no longer being a planet. But thats ok I like saturn better they make good cars...
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Fri Aug 25, 2006 8:00 pm |
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Drayos
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*Yawn* First of all a planet is a planet. Also alot of the time scientist types are plain idiots. They spend all this time looking at the sky for meaning. Who cares about planets. There just other big rocks in the sky. You should be relaxing and enjoy life. Simple as that.
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Sat Aug 26, 2006 5:16 pm |
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goldenquagsire
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Drayos wrote: *Yawn* First of all a planet is a planet. Also alot of the time scientist types are plain idiots. They spend all this time looking at the sky for meaning. Who cares about planets. There just other big rocks in the sky. You should be relaxing and enjoy life. Simple as that.
Because, if we find a planet/asteroid/moon/whatever that has life growing on it, they could answer questions about how we evolved and why we are how we look.
Also, Ceres and Xena are now Dwarf Planets, eh? lol stupid names. I want a planet named Cheesecake!
This could make science lessons a bit more complicated. Weird, random coincidence that I've realised: while astronomers are making the organisation of planets more complicated, the British Post Office are making sending post even harder and more beuracratic.
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Mon Aug 28, 2006 3:57 am |
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Tom
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I don't think enough money goes into space exploration, and this story is about as exciting as the field gets these days.
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Mon Aug 28, 2006 4:17 pm |
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goldenquagsire
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Tom wrote: I don't think enough money goes into space exploration, and this story is about as exciting as the field gets these days.
And this means a repeat of the "Why are we still in Iraq?" argument that ended minths ago, to a sad finale.
The thing is, governments want immediate results that they can USE. Mostly for warfare, I add. They don't care about looking at a small, uninhabited moon. Maybe when every country in the world stops acting like a bunch of primary school children, then we could fund research.
Blimey, back on-topic.
Shouldn't Mercury be down-graded, isn't it smaller than all the rest of the planets, bar Pluto?
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Tue Aug 29, 2006 12:21 am |
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sN0wBaLL
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Size doesn't seem to be the only consideration. Pluto has been "demoted" as a result of its overlapping orbit, not just because of its size, if I remember correctly.
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Tue Aug 29, 2006 2:53 am |
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Flaming_Wuzzle
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sN0wBaLL wrote: Size doesn't seem to be the only consideration. Pluto has been "demoted" as a result of its overlapping orbit, not just because of its size, if I remember correctly.
Size isn't even part of the definition:
Quote: (a) is in orbit around a star or stellar remnants;
(b) has sufficient mass for its self-gravity to overcome rigid body forces so that it assumes a hydrostatic equilibrium (nearly round) shape; and,
(c) has cleared the neighbourhood around its orbit.
In short, it has to orbit a star, be round or mostly round, and not have a bunch of other stuff in its orbit. Since Pluto's orbit crosses into Neptune's orbit, Pluto isn't a planet.
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Tue Aug 29, 2006 11:01 am |
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Tom
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goldenquagsire wrote: Tom wrote: I don't think enough money goes into space exploration, and this story is about as exciting as the field gets these days.
And this means a repeat of the "Why are we still in Iraq?" argument that ended minths ago, to a sad finale.
The thing is, governments want immediate results that they can USE. Mostly for warfare, I add. They don't care about looking at a small, uninhabited moon. Maybe when every country in the world stops acting like a bunch of primary school children, then we could fund research.
Blimey, back on-topic.
Shouldn't Mercury be down-graded, isn't it smaller than all the rest of the planets, bar Pluto?
Has it ever occurred that such attitudes could be to blame for virtually all of the problems you have on the international stage?
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Tue Aug 29, 2006 1:02 pm |
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goldenquagsire
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Tom wrote: Has it ever occurred that such attitudes could be to blame for virtually all of the problems you have on the international stage?
The reason is far deeper than that. Human nature is to be greedy, violent and stupid. We evolved to overcome nature, and so we have, which is the reason why the climate is dangerously overheating.
Until we as a species can learn to think a little, we're just like animals. I'm sorry if that offends anyone, but it's the truth.
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