Sorry for the long wait - I was hoping that the official guys would finally come back to do this...oh well.

Yeah for that Onix we Evolved it into Steelix. I got Stadium 2 Today so there should some more Pokemon here to be rated.

Just some Pokemon, both mine and my little brother's Pokemon.

Lv.80|@Focus Band
~Steel Wing
~Swords Dance
~HP *Poison*
~Slash

Lv.37|@Bitter Berry
~Rock Slide
~Iron Tail
~Sandstorm
~Rock Throw

Lv.80|@Gold Berry
~Curse
~Ancient Power/Earth Quake
~Shadow Ball
~Steel Wing/Aeroblast

Lv.70|@EXP.Share
~Sunny Day
~Solar Beam
~Fire Blast/Sacred Fire
~Thunder Bolt

And remember this is a Johto Pokemon Team. NOT HOENN!



You see what I mean?

I still need a solid starter...I don't really know what to use though.

I'm kinda torn on the physical sweeper thing because Tauros has great stats but has the fighting weakness and no way to cover it...but Machamp is slow and Heracross has a 4x flying weakness...

Alakazam vs. Houndoom is another issue. I'm not really sure what to do.

I would love some help on this INGAME gold team. Key word there, I don't need this to dominate. Im not interested in doing any breeding, except for the last slot that I havn't determined yet. Can't really catch any legendaries yet.

@Leftovers
Shadow Ball
Return
Rest
Sleep Talk


Psychic
Ice Beam
Lovely Kiss
Attract/?


Surf
Body Slam
Hypnosis
Belly Drum

Or


Ice Beam
Psychic
Surf
Hypnosis


Earthquake
Sludge Bomb
Screech
Slash


Flamethrower
Confuse Ray
Thunderpunch
Psychic/Dynamicpunch/?

I need a sixth pokemon to round out team. I was thinking of a strong Electric or Grass type. I really wanted to use Victreebel, but without Slude Bomb, and no breeding for Wing Attack, Gliger gets crap moves, and Victreebel really needs Sludge Bomb. Sunflora I kind of like, but it has a terrible movepool. Raikou would be neat, and I might end up putting him in that spot, but I can't really catch him at this point.

Edit: I think this team is majorely weak to Water types, hence the grass/electric. Item suggestions would be nice aswell.

Thanks for your help.

imetapod:
Good starters, for gsc, usually lay down some status. Like electrode (t-wave, swagger, reflect, explosion). Or lanturn, with c-ray, t-wave, attract, etc. Don't use lapras - best to bring in on hard hits (yes, tempting, so you can sig, confuse, and paralyze with body slam/freeze with confuse ray).

Physical sweepers - you want one that gets good physical moves - like dodrio (drill peck, wing attack, steel wing/tri-attack, hp ground/fighting), or machamp (Cross Chop, EQ, Rock Slide), or T-tar (EQ, Rock Slide, Return, screech), or donphan (EQ, HP Rock/Ancient Power, Rapid Spin, Roar/Rest), or aerodactyl (Return, EQ, Ancient Power/HP Rock, Wing Attack/HP Flying [i prefer hp rock and wing attack]). Tauros has problems with movepool - Return, EQ, Curse?, ???. Golem Can have EQ, Rock Slide, Curse, and Explosion.

Alakazam vs. Houndoom - Alakazam gets psychic, and the punches. Oh, and recover. Houndoom, however, gets crunch (for all of the psychics), Flamethrower (lower super effective range than ice), Solar beam (so he can sunny beam), Sludge bomb, for poison (though burn > poison), and shadow ball to stay physical (gets reversal, but the slow speed doesn't really helpend-revving).

You must also remember - there are other psychics that can do better -
~Starmie gets 2 stab moves, Recover, t-bolt, and ice beam. It doesn't get fire moves, but thats a trade-off.
~Slowbro gets good defenses (alakazam dies to anything, while this isn't too worried about the hits), stab on surf, gets ice beam and flamethrower (no t-bolt). No recover, but still - decent hp (base 95 rocks!), good defense (something few psychics can say), and good special defense.
~Slowking - see slowbro - but with the def and sp. def switched.thus making it a mainstream psychic.
~Hypno was designed to be defensive. But it lacks recover, and good defenses. What does that leave it? A bad slowbro. And, (just to bash it), its worse than zam in other ways - no extra usable moves (Smog - 55% accuracy). It makes a good toxi-tank but again - no real defenses, no trapping (umbreon), no recovery. So, it just sucks
~Jynx is cool. Psychic, Ice Beam, Perish-traping, Sleep move to attack at will. But, thats it. Use Starmie, slowbro, or alakazam instead. Unless you like an accurate sleep move (it won't survive to put it to sleep - ranks second to last in defense department).
~Mr. Mime - no.

Alright here goes...

Same rules as my last post:

Gold/Silver only (no Crystal trades, which means no Move Tutor)
No RBY trades
No legendaries
No held items
No cheats.

My team (the first 3 are definites, but i have no specialized starter)

Heracross:
-Megahorn
-Earthquake
-Endure
-Reversal

Can Heracross pull off End/Rev well enough to compensate for its flying weakness and the fact that it isn't Machamp?

Umbreon:
-Mean Look
-Toxic
-Rest
-Confuse Ray

Forretress:
-Spikes
-Explosion
-Rapid Spin
-???(what else should i put here?)

Those 3 are definites, but the movesets are not.
The rest of my planned team:

Alakazam: or Starmie:
-Psychic -Surf
-Fire Punch -Psychic
-Ice Punch -Ice Beam?
-Thunderpunch -Recover

Miltank: or Blissey:
-Heal Bell -Heal Bell
-Milk Drink -Softboiled
-??? -Minimize
-??? -Ice Beam?

Aerodactyl (can i get him with my rules?)
-Return
-HP Rock?
-Wing Attack
-Earthquake
Can Aerodactyl make a good starter as a physical sweeper with my team the way it is?

or
Electrode
-Thunder Wave
-Reflect
-Explosion
-Swagger?
If I use electrode with swagger, would it be a good idea to have a ghost in my lineup?


I don't have a starter that I have any faith in. Electrode has no staying power and can get OHKO'd pretty easily. Could my starter be a shuffler as well? (roar/whirlwind + some type of status)
What are my major weaknesses?
Should I swap out Blissey/Miltank for Snorlax?

I know I'm asking an awful lot of questions...but thank you very much if you take the time to respond.

I hope i'm not too late...

All right. I just got interested into the GSC generations again (cuz my leafgreen isn't really being nice to me). So I fired up my Gold Version and created this team. If any pokemon are told to have Ice Beam, choose Ice Punch if possible.

LV:71

Item:None

-Psychic
-Thunder (I can't really get Thunderbolt)
-Earthquake
-Recover


LV:61

Item:Leftovers

-Body Slam
-Shadow Ball
-Earthquake
-Rest

Peanut-Lover, if you rate this team, this is the moveset I gave my LeafGreen Snorlax.


LV:62

Item:None

-Crunch
-Earthquake
-Rock Slide
-Fire Punch (Couldn't think of a better move )


LV:62

Item:Amulet Coin

-Dragonbreath
-Waterfall (this move is becoming Hyper Beam unless someone gives me a good physical attk.)
-Thunderbolt (had access to Crystal version 4 a time)
-Blizzard


shiny LV:62

Item:None

-Flamethrower
-Dragonbreath
-Toxic
-Earthquake


LV:62

Item: Leftovers

-Surf
-Ice Punch (I am not changing this at all!)
-Toxic
-Earthquake

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I really want to know how this team rates, because I am bored and want to get into competitive battling with this team.

How's this for only 50 hrs in?

Dragonair lv 48
1. Zap Cannon
2. Dragon Rage
3. Slam
4. Twister

Lugia lv 66
1. Fly
2. Recover
3. Hydropump
4. Dragon Breath

Typhlosion lv 61
1. Flamethrower
2. Thunderpunch
3. Firepunch
4. Dig

Venusaur lv 44
1. Solarbeam
2. Cut
3. Mega Drain
4. Vine Whip

Pidgeot lv 50
1. Wing Attack
2. Fly
3. Steel Wing
4. Quick Attack

Wobbuffet lv 54
1. Counter
2. Mirror Coat
3. Safegaurd
4. Destiny Bond

ok i think i finally have my lineup figured out...refer to the rules i mentioned in my previous post.

-Fire Punch
-Ice Punch
-Thunder Punch
-Psychic

-Endure
-Reversal
-Megahorn
-Earthquake

-Mean Look
-Toxic
-Rest
-Confuse Ray

-Spikes
-Explosion
-Rapid Spin
-Rollout

-Roar
-Ancientpower
-Wing Attack
-Return



-Rest
-Ice Beam
-Surf
-Confuse Ray

The strategy is to start with Alakazam and sweep right off the bat to catch them off guard. When I'm able to, I'll lay out spikes as soon as i can, then have Aerodactyl come in and use Roar until they can stop me or i run out (to inflict damage from spikes).

Alakazam doesn't have recover because its flimsy defense doesn't really give it much longevity anyway and a turn spent recovering is a turn not spent special sweeping. Besides, I need all those moves.

I need Lapras for surf, but is my team too flimsy tank-wise? Umbreon's all I have except for lapras to an extent...should I be worried about working powerups into my movesets?

im not new to G/S/C but i never really cared about type advanteges. but i started over now and im gonna fite the E4. tell me if my team is good enuff and tell me things i can do to make it better.

typhlosion-charcoal
lv50
fire spin
ember
quik attak
swift

lugia-none
lv48
aeroblast
shadow ball
gust
recover

golduck-none
lv45
surf
confusion
psych up
scratch

piloswine-none
lv45
powder snow
icy wind
take down
fury attak

thats all i hav now but im gonna get ampharos
i was thinkin about dragonite
or im gonna get a psychic and i was thinkin hypno
but if there are any other psychic or dark or ghost that r better tell me

here's what im trying to create, no oobers apart from tyranitar or dragonite, but i dunno if they are or not

Alakazam
- Recover
- Psychic
- Fire Punch
- Ice Punch

Umbreon
- Baton Pass
- Mean Look
- Toxic
- Confuse Ray

Snorlax
- Rest
- Curse
- Snore
- Body Slam/Earthquake/Shadow Ball

i have snore so he deals damage while hes sleeping, with curse it can be quite a bit. though not sure wat to use as an offensive move

Aerodactyl
- Wing Attack
- Ancientpower
- Earthquake
- Steel Wing/Iron Tail

steel wing or iron tail?

Tyranitar
- Roar
- Earthquake
- Rock Slide
- Crunch

roar to get rid of what nails him

Houndoom
- Sunny Day
- Flamethrower
- Crunch
- Solarbeam

not sure who to use as a starter
any suggestions for anything else id need?

wow...I am long overdue for rates. I got a notification, said I'd get to it later, and forgot then when i came here, because i haven't visited in about a month, i saw this! No quoting, just comments (makes it quicker):

Zdude (if you are still here):
Lugia is a defensive pokemon, and thus recover is a good idea. Curse is god, so it boosts the defense. Seeing as the attack is also boosted, Earthquake is also good, as is shadow ball or wing attack
Snorlax is a special wall, but rather fragile. Curse, Rest, Return/Body slam, Shadow Ball/eq. Your set is fine, if you wish to leave it, though curse is sort of needed. good for frlg as well
T-tar unfortunately doesn't get good ratings. T-bolt/Flamethrower through a crystal tutor, or hp flying is usually good (though hp flying is preffered). Rest or sandstorm are sort of defensive.
Dragonite is cool, ice beam > blizzard, and wing attack/return > hyper beam.
Charizard should be physical - Swords Dance/Belly Drum (RBY trade is better), EQ/Wing attack, Rock Slide/Wing Attack, Flamethrower/Fire Blast . @Leftovers
feraligatr is good pokemon - Crunch > EQ (Breed), and ICe Beam > Ice punch if you can. Better yet, if not too deadset on ice punch, breed for crunch and rock slide (larvitar family) > Ice Punch and Toxic (so it would be surf, crunch/screech, eq, rock slide).

killermagikarp -
Dragonair should evolve in 7 levels. DragonBreath > Twister, T-bolt > Zap cannon, Ice Beam, and Wing attack/Earthquake.

Lugia - see Zdude's rate

Typhlosion - EQ > Dig. Rest @mint berry , or Sunny Day @LEftovers instead of fire punch. Seriously, will you even use fire punch with the superior flamethrower?

Venusaur - Leech Seed, Sleep Powder, Razor Leaf, and Earthquake. Very tanky, a bit defensive. Recovery, staus, damage.

Pidgeot is completely outclassed by dodrio in stats and movepool. It may have better defenses, but it has lower speed, and lower attack. It will have to get hit 3 times just to do what dodrio can do by being hit only once.
Dodrio - hit, get hit, then hit
Pidgeot - Get hit, hit, get hit, hit, get hit, hit, get hit, die. And the third "hit" isn't even a guarantee, as the defenses aren't that much better.
Anyway, Return, Steel Wing, Wing Attack, quick attack. But dodrio gets the superior 80 power flying move (drill peck), and a status move (tri-attack)

Wobuffet is ok. You can't really change it :S

imetapod - status should be in front, but whatever.
Alakazam needs recover, but if you're sure no recover, this is fine.
Forretress should be good, though you don't want to lok yourself into a move for 5 turns. Return may do better
EQ > Return for aerodactyl.
I think lapras is ok. This is as good as it can be with your rules.



Is this silver version (aeroblast lugia, ampharos)? Can you trade with crystal? How about RBY and the stadiums? In-game, defeating the elite 4 usually means high levels, though the type advantages ease it. Don't get yourself too crazy. Did you catch a dog yet? Raikou and suicune are useful in the elite 4. ALOT.

Quick note about amphy: Rain Dance + Thunder is good. Just keep it far away from sunny day typhlosion.

ok, so after what you've said, i've modified a few things.

ill start with at rest.

will be:
- rest
- curse
- body slam
- EQ

will be the same, with either agility or return.

i'll bring in at:
- drill peck
- steel wing
- whirlwind
- toxic

toxi-shuffler as well as phys. sponge.

the last two spots, however, are open.

i have my 2 spec sweepers, and

plus a couple of mixed.


- swords dance
- wing attack
- EQ
- flamethrower

or,

@ bitter berry
- t-wave
- wing attack
- outrage
- ice beam/return?

ps. what do you mean by this?

ok so typhlosion and lugia i got i will get lapras instead of golduck but what is a good moveset for lapras?
then should i get jynx instead of piloswine? if i do a good moveset?
then i got amphy and dragonite.
also what are good movesets for gengar and alakazam.
out of these which 6 make the best team?

{golduck}



yes this is silver no i cant trade w/ crystal lost it.
but i can trade w/ gold and blue. no i havent caught any of the dogs yet but i have seen all of them. should i catch 1?

for skarmory, whirlwind and drill peck are both egg moves tho?

i have a father fearow with both drill peck and whirlwind, once i get a female skarmory off my friends crystal, ill breed, so wont the baby have both, seein as ther both egg moves?

with lapras i might hav sing AND rest... that'd be nasty, and i alreddy have a special sweeper with houndoom and a phys. sweeper with aero.

but if i do that, what move will i have out of ice beam and t-bolt?

t bolt will be solid agains any water types, and i dont have much covering that atm, with only houndooms solrabeam. however much of ice beams advantages are alreddy covered and thunderbolt will help to aid that.

am i right?

I investigated - Whirlwind is an RBY tm, and thus legal :roll:

Lapras @Leftovers
~Sing
~Rest
~T-bolt
~Ice Beam

T-bolt hits water and flyers.
Ice hits some flyers harder (dragonite, zapdos) than t-bolt. In addition, it hits grasses.


v1swanton -
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OR

, , , , ,

beam also hits ground.

thanks a lot peanut, you've helped me stacks

im now sure to whip my mates ass yeehhh!

- dave

hey, something else to be rated.
movesets for the 3 legendary birds =


~ Rest
~ Agility
~ Whirlwind
~ Ice Beam


~ Thunderbolt
~ Thunder-wave
~ Drill Peck
~ Light Screen


~ Substitute
~ Sky Attack
~ Flamethrower
~ Reflect

hehe moltres, instead of a sub-puncher, a sub-attacker.

what do u think?

hey, something else to be rated.
movesets for the 3 legendary birds =


~ Rest
~ Agility
~ Whirlwind
~ Ice Beam


~ Thunderbolt
~ Thunder-wave
~ Drill Peck
~ Light Screen


~ Substitute
~ Sky Attack
~ Flamethrower
~ Reflect

hehe moltres, instead of a sub-puncher, a sub-attacker.

what do u think?

should'nt you get stronger moves for the 3 legendary birds?? Like blizzard for , thunder for and fire blast for . Just wondering. But the attack choice is pretty good.

Personally, i don;t really think stat change moves like growl or agility are really useful. My pokemon all only have offensive moves.( like moves that do damage)

hahaha. blizzard thunder and fire blast you say...

they have low pp and low accuracy. id much rather 100% accuracy and more pp subsituting just a little less power.

Ok, so This team beat the Round 2 Prime Cup in Stadium 2, so I figured i mustve done SOMETHING right.


Milktank @ Leftovers
Body Slam
Heal Bell
Milk Drink
Rollout

Houndoom @ Focus Band
Crunch
Flamethrower
Roar
Headbutt

Raichu @ Magnet
Thunderbolt
Thunderwave
Headbutt
Protect

Donphan @ Quick Claw
Earthquake
Rollout
Strenghth
Sandstorm

Starmie @ Brightpowder
Surf
Psychic
Thunderbolt
Recover

Poliwrath @ Mystic Water
Surf
Submission
Mind Reader
Fissure



I had a lot of success, lemme know how to improve them.

stormidiot - Thunder and Blizzard are both inaccurate and low on pp. Fire Blast is a different story. Though, Thunder-dancing is indeed an option, it is bad without HP Water.