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thekiller0703 Pokemon Ranger Joined: Fri Jun 22, 2007 12:19 pm Posts: 693 Location: On the left side of the street... Take THAT Society!	cruncher wrote: ok here goes nothing. my sandstorm based team @life orb: jolly nature: sand veil 252 atk 252 spd 6hp swords dance fire fang earthquake dragon claw Looks good, maybe @Shell bell because of Swords Dance? You won't really need the extra boost after that... @ choice band : adamant nature : solid rock 252atk 129hp 129 def eathquake stone edge megahorn avalanche I guess it could work, but move the defense EV's to special defense. Remember, with sandstorm out you get 1.5x Sp Def, and Rhyperior really needs it. Although it could work, I wouldn't recommend Choice Band, if you make it more of a sandstorm-tank it would be a beast. @;leftovers : lonely nature : sand stream 252 atk 252 spd 6hp DD crunch earthquake thunder fang Very important, make sure you open with TTar. Jolly for nature, and replace Thunder Fang with Stone Edge or Rock Slide. @life orb : adamant nature 252 atk 252hp 252 atk, 129 spd, 129 hp earthquake meteormash agility explosion Looks OK, but consider the fact that you get completely walled by Bronzong and Skarmory. @smooth rock: ???? nature Careful sandstorm (in case tyrantitars gets overwritten and he dies) stealth rock explosion earthquake I guess it's alright, watch out for special. Steel types don't get the Sp Def boost, only rocks do. {ramphardos}(sp?)@ choice scarf: jolly nature zen headbutt stone edge ??? ??? I see what you're going for, but it gets outsped by too much. Consider: Rampardos@Shell Bell Jolly, 252 spd, 252 Att, 6 HP Rock Polish Head Smash/Rock Slide Zen Headbutt Earthquake With this, you can outspeed anything unboosted, and most choice scarfers. As long as you can survive the first hit (preferably with Sandstorm still out), you can destroy teams with this. thnx in advance Again, start with TTar and Rock types get a 1.5x boost to their special defense. _________________ <center> http://www.phpbber.com/phpbb/index.php?mforum=bulkywaters <- Go
Thu Sep 27, 2007 10:07 am

4ever_bug_catcher Ace Trainer Joined: Thu Aug 30, 2007 1:14 pm Posts: 306 Location: lawl.	woot first rate as well ^^ bluestrike wrote: This is a 3rd Gen team, that I want to be adapted for 4th Gen Battles. Please help me out with this. I do not mind about Natures normally, as it is only 10%, and these are for casual battles. Same goes for EVs, although I normally get 100 for the stats I want through vitamins. I need suggestions for Items though, if you could help with that I would appreciate it. -Surf -Ice Beam -Earthquake -Rest hmm... due to the attack changes in DP, swampert deals primarily as a physical sweeper now. waterfall>surf and avalanche>ice beam. curse should replace rest but if u dont feel like breeding, then rest is OK but not recommended. -Psychic -Thunderbolt -Will-o-Wisp -Calm Mind gardevoir has pretty low speed for a sweeper and if u do get a WoW in, it probably cant survive a couple atks to calm mind and sweep. shadow ball>WoW and leave CM alone or replace it with energy ball? so u can put specs on it to make up for its speed I dislike CB. -Earthquake -Meteor Mash -Rock Slide -Agility/Swords Dance no need for CB since u have agility/SDance in the 4th spot. if this is emerald, then try to teach it an elemental punch (preferably ice) and replace it with rock slide. go with agility btw -Swords Dance -Endure -Reversal -Megahorn endure/reversal combo has alot of counters in DP now (a lot of priority moves where created) so u might just have to abandon it. brick break>reversal and rock slide/stone edge>endure to hit flying types -Crunch -Flamethrower -Sunny Day -Solarbeam just make sure u survive to get a sunny day in... and dark pulse>crunch so it's a spec. sweeper -Heal Bell -Milk Drink -Body Slam -Shadow Ball u should really restart this one to get scrappy, which makes norms/fighting atks hit ghosts. shadow ball is spec. now so replace it with a brick break and return>body slam. but for this to work, scrappy is needed I dunno if this is a good team overall. If there are any really big flaws please point them out and suggest a change. to me it is actually well-rounded but u would want a real (not gardevoir) spec. sweeper. a boltbeamer is best here, maybe a porygon-Z or another popular spec. sweeper is togekiss phew... glad i got that one over with
Thu Sep 27, 2007 2:53 pm

4ever_bug_catcher Ace Trainer Joined: Thu Aug 30, 2007 1:14 pm Posts: 306 Location: lawl.	Darkwarlock999 wrote: I am entering a series of online gyms. The Gyms are Dark, Electric, Ghost, Ice, Normal, Poison, Steel, Flying. 4 of the Pokemon the leader uses has to be that type, others can be anything. Here is my team. They are Ev-trainer, but I can't remember so I shall just put their stats: Metagross @ Quick Claw. Clear Body Adamant Stats: Hp: 315, Atk: 352, Def: 268, Sp. Atk: 178, Sp. Def: 188, Spd: 190 Meteor Mash Earthquake Brick Break Explosion @leftovers(or life orb?)/choice scarf(CScarf not so recommended, since u wanna explode when u actually want to) maybe agility can go in somewhere... maybe over brick break and @leftovers Fighting his way through as many foes as possible, Metagross will then explode for a 1-Hit KO. Houndoom @ Power Herb/Heat Rock. Flash Fire Modest Stats: Hp: 263, Atk: 169, Def: 108, Sp. Atk: 320, Sp. Def: 168, Spd: 261 Flamethrower Solarbeam Dark Pulse Sunny Day A basic special sweeper with good STABs, the trouble is choosing items. Heat Rock means longer Sunny Day, but Power Herb means I can let off a Solarbeam quickly without the giveaway of Sunny Day. having power herb means u should abandon sunny day basically. i am not fond of houndooms at all but if u really want this set, then leave as is. houndoom is not surviving after sunny day ends so ditch heat rock. lefties again? Starmie @ Focus Band. Illuminate Modest Stats: Hp: 261, Atk: 167, Def: 206, Sp. Atk: 328, Sp. Def: 206, Spd: 329 Recover Surf Ice Beam Thunderbolt Standard special sweeper. no focus band, and illuminate??? err... rapid spin>recover since u dont have a spinner on ur team (skarms in that steel gym rite?) recover is only for aesthetic purposes and doesnt back up its low defences much. otherwise, looks good Salamence @ Focus Sash. Intimidate Adamant Stats: Hp: 394, Atk: 405, Def: 196, Sp. Atk: 230, Sp. Def: 196, Spd: 236 DragonClaw Earthquake Ariel Ace Roost Says it all. i dun think it needs focus sash (pretty random too -_-) and stone edge/rock slide>roost (its supposed to sweep, not take hits) and arial ace is for stab so i guess it can stay but crunch/fire fang is recommended. @choice specs (since it cross-demands adamant) Tyranitar @ Focus Band. Sand Stream Adamant Stats: Hp: 355, Atk: 303, Def: 270, Sp. Atk: 178, Sp. Def: 250, Spd: 130 Earthquake Stone Edge/Rock Slide Dragon Dance Taunt Physical sweeper to the core, Taunt is to stop Whirlwinds, Will-o-Wisps and such. After this is withdrawn, the idea is to put Metagross in, who doesn’t care, or Houndoom, to Sunny Day the sandstorm away. crunch should go in sumwhere for stab, maybe over taunt (i kno... hard decision for u) Gengar @ Big Root. Levitate Modest Stats: Hp: 261, Atk: 149, Def: 156, Sp. Atk: 394, Sp. Def: 186, Spd: 319 Psychic Thunderbolt Giga Drain Sludge Bomb Another sweeper. wheres shadow ball T.T put that over psychic. @choice scarf/specs If you can give suggestions for types, stratergy (i.e. replace a sweeper with a tank). I do have, in paticular, a Modest Milotic with Ice Beam, Surf, Recover and Substitute, for tanking purposes. I need the reply soon. i am a huge fan of bulky waters =) so if u want the milotic, put it over houndoom (not a fan of it) and rest>recover to remove status and put marvel scale to good use.
Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:27 pm

Peanut-Lover Site Administrator Joined: Wed Jul 05, 2006 10:32 am Posts: 1917 Location: Brooklyn, NY	Request list wrote: Page 29: kleio mattleinart4 blazingculcar SkyBlitz froggy_00 Page 30 CHJB spoiledyukio Roar Of Time bushin 1 Note - I did ask for all who still wanted rates to pm me. Back on the list bushin 2 pink_blizts fordrice DaBest I have to eat dinner - I'm not sure if I can do a team tonight, though I will try.
Thu Sep 27, 2007 6:04 pm

grindhouse Bug Catcher Joined: Thu Sep 27, 2007 6:27 pm Posts: 6	Plz rate Well im kinda a nub still.and i need some tips. this is my team Cloyster @ Lefty. Shell Armor Relaxed, 100 defence 252 Speed 152Sp.Atk Surf Ice Beam Toxic Spikes Explosion I love my cloyster Togekiss@ No item. Serene Grace Modest, 252 Sp.Att 252 Speed Roost Air Slash Aura Sphere IceBeam/tunderbolt/flamethrower Not sure for a good move set MamoSwine@ lefty, Oblivious Adamant,252 Attack 252 speed Ice fang Rock Slide EarthQuake ------- not sure what attack to teach it Swampert@ None yet. Torrent Adamant, 252 attack 252 speed Hammer Arm Waterfall EarthQuake Protect Magmortar @ None. Flame Body Modest, 252Sp.Atk 100 Hp 152 Spd Solarbeam Flamethrower Sunnyday psychic These are all the pokemon i have for battles right now
Thu Sep 27, 2007 6:49 pm

spongedude Dragon Tamer Joined: Sun Jan 28, 2007 10:29 am Posts: 205	I need this team rated by the lastest on sunday if that is possible. I don't need my EVs checked and/or rated. Thanks ahead. Forretress @ Leftovers . Sturdy Careful Explosion Gyro Ball Stealth Rock Earthquake PorygonZ @ Leftovers . Download Timid Icebeam Thunderbolt Shadow Ball Tri Attack Ninetales @ Flame Orb . Flash Fire Timid Fire Blast Nasty Plot Energy Ball Hypnosis Cradily @ Big Root . Suction Cups Bold Giga Drain Ancientpower Sludgebomb Wring Out Garchomp @ Leftovers . Sand Veil Adamant Fire Fang Dragon Claw Earthquake Sword Dance Hitmontop @ Focus Band . Technician Jolly Bulk Up Bullet Punch Mach Punch Rapid Spin _________________
Thu Sep 27, 2007 8:43 pm

Sapphirath Pokemon Ranger Joined: Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:25 am Posts: 627 Location: Singapore	If you think I've misunderstood your strategy here I apologise and please pm so that I can correct it. SkyBlitz wrote: Froslass(Timid)+Lefties 252 Spd, 252 SA, 4 HP Hail Blizzard Thunderbolt Shadow Ball Ok, Froslass doesn't have a very high Sp. Def and Def, so I woluldn't waste a turn to use Hail eventhough it boosts Blizzard's accuracy. Try this instead, teach Froslass Ice Beam, Shadow Ball, Thunderbolt and Destiny Bond. This way, you can make full use of Froslass's high speed to take out a foe in two hits. After taking out that Pokemon your Froslass should be nearing fainting so just Destiny Bond the next pokemon and you would have KOed 2 Pokemon with just 1. Starmie(Timid)+Lum/Salac Not sure what the EV spread should be, seeing as it's a CP/Recoverer with two attacking moves. Recover Cosmic Power Surf Ice Beam/Thunderbolt/Psychic A good tanker moveset you have there, I'm using a similar kind of Starmie and I maxed out its Hp and Spd EVs. (Since you already have Cosmic Power, and Starmie already has higher than average Sp. Def and Def, so maxing out its low Hp would be better.) Also, you'll want to use Cosmic Power before the foe attacks your Starmie, so maxing out its Speed would be a priority.) Garchomp(Jolly)+CB? 252 Atk, 252 Spd, 4 HP Earthquake Dragon Claw Fire Fang ??? (Crunch/Brick Break?) Actually, I've always thought that you should teach Swords Dance to a Physical Sweeper so go without the Crunch/Brick Break and teach it Swords Dance. (Trust me, Garchomp is 1 of the best Pokemon to teach Swords Dance, it becomes a nightmare with just 1 Swords Dance used.) Tyranitar(Adamant)+Lefties 252 Atk, 252 Def/Spd, 4 Hp Dragon Dance Stone Edge Earthquake Thunder/Fire/Ice Fang I know that Tyranitar is weak against Water types but I strongly advise against Thunder if you're playing it as a Physical Sweeper. Also, did you forget that Thunder's accuracy is only 50% in a sandstorm?Rest & Chesto berry combo can also be an alternative to Fire/Ice Fang. (This way, you can Dragon Dance more...) Sceptile(Timid)+Lum 252 Atk, 252 Spd, 4 HP Dragon Claw Leaf Blade Swords Dance X-Scissor The moveset is great for a Physical Sweeper but there's a big flaw here. You are not teaching any Special Moves right? So what's the point of contradicting your Physical Sweeper combo with a Timid nature? Get an Adamant/Jolly 1, it will serve you much better. Regirock(Adamant)+Lefties 252 Atk, 252 Def, 4 HP Curse Explosion Earthquake Rock Slide Since Regirock is slow (Which means it will most likely get hit first.) I suggest you do away with Explosion and use the Rest + Chesto Berry combo. This way, you can Curse more, which means you can dish out alot more Damage after 2 or 3 Curses. Last edited by Sapphirath on Sat Sep 29, 2007 8:50 am, edited 1 time in total.
Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:53 am

audiovision Bug Catcher Joined: Tue May 22, 2007 11:41 am Posts: 19 Location: niagara falls.	i'm so bad when it comes to making teams, ugh. i haven't even begun to figure out items or evs, since i don't know if i like this team or not, so you don't need to bother with rating that part of it if it's too much trouble. armaldo jolly or adamant @ ? . swords dance . x-scissor . earthquake . rock slide milotic calm @ ? . surf . ice beam . dragon pulse . recover ? leafeon adamant @ ? . baton pass . swords dance . substitute . leaf blade i'm thinking switching to a baton passer with calm mind for milotic, but i needed a grass move in there somewhere, ugh. i guess i could use leafeon for armaldo, and possibly remove swords dance in favor of another attack move. houndoom timid or modest @ ? . nasty plot . flamethrower . dark pulse . sludge bomb girafarig timid or modest @ ? . thunderbolt . psychic . shadow ball . ? bronzong brave or relaxed @ ? . toxic . block . gyro ball . ?
Fri Sep 28, 2007 7:11 pm

Sapphirath Pokemon Ranger Joined: Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:25 am Posts: 627 Location: Singapore	Please pm if you have any proplems with this rate. froggy_00 wrote: I feel bad for posting this, since I know you guys are swamped with work, but might as well. @ Life Orb/Choice Band/Shell Bell Adamant \| Sand Stream 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 6 HP -Dragon Dance -Earthquake -Stone Edge -Crunch Physical Sweeper If you're teaching Dragon Dance, I suggest you do away with the Choice Band and give it a Leftovers instead. Other than that, an overall powerful sweeper. @ Focus Sash/Leftovers/Flame Orb (to activate ability) ?? Bold \| Marvel Scale EVs: 252 HP / 200 Def / 56 SAtk -Hypnosis -Ice Beam -Recover -Surf Tank? If you're playing it as a tank, you should cover up for its weakness against Electric & Grass type Special moves by maxing out its Sp. Def. (The most common type of Electric & Grass type moves used in battles are Special based, etc: Thunderbolt, Thunder, Solarbeam, Energy Ball, Grass Knot.) So max 200 EVs in its Sp. Def instead of Def as you already have the Flame Orb to boost its Def. But still, I guess Leftovers should be a better item for Milotic. @ Leftovers Bold \| Synchronize 252 HP / 129 Def / 129 Sp Def -Toxic -Baton Pass -Mean Look -Monlight Toxi-Trapper I don't think Mean Look is necessary, (Normally, people won't switch out their Pokemon because if you think carefully, you waste a turn just by switching out a Pokemon, so if the Pokemon that the opponent switched out gets KOed during that wasted turn, he/she would have incurred a double loss, that is, 1 Fainted Pokemon & 1 Badly Poisoned Pokemon.) so swap that with wish and you'll have a healer in the team. Also, you would want to replace Moonlight with Double Team, this way Umbreon would become a very good support Pokemon. If you don't understand what I'm trying to say here please pm. @ Leftovers/Shell Bell Impish \| Pressure 252 HP / 129 Atk / 129 Sp Def -Brick Break -Thunder Punch -Will-O-Wisp -Pain Split Tank Basically, I think this build is fine although it might be weak against Special Sweepers. Oh, and Shadow instead of Thunder Punch would allow you at least a normal hit to all Pokemon. Of course, if you're teaching that so that it can counter Water and Flying types that's fine too. @ ?? Adamant \| Clear Body 252 HP / 129 Atk / 129 Sp. Def -Meteor Mash -Earthquake -Explosion -Zen Headbutt Physical sweeper/Tank? I would disagree with the Tanker part, so just max out 252 EVs in its Atk & Spd. Also because Explosion would work better with a Speedy Metagross. @ Choice Specs Timid \| Adaptability 252 Sp Atk / 252 Spd / 4 HP -Shadow Ball -Thunderbolt -Try Attack -Ice Beam Special Sweeper Replace Shadow Ball with Nasty Plot and you will see how destructive Porygon-Z can get. (With 1 Nasty Plot and your Porygon-Z's Adaptability, your Tri Attack will be able to KO many Pokemon in 1 hit.) In this case, you'll have to remove Choice Specs and give it a Leftovers instead. This is my first competitive team, so i'm not too sure if the combonations of these PKMN is good. Please help! -Froggy Last edited by Sapphirath on Sun Sep 30, 2007 5:24 am, edited 2 times in total.
Fri Sep 28, 2007 7:46 pm

4ever_bug_catcher Ace Trainer Joined: Thu Aug 30, 2007 1:14 pm Posts: 306 Location: lawl.	kleio wrote: kleio's team 2.0.2 I would like to cancel my rate on the 29th page. Instead, I'll be waiting for this to be rated. Gliscor@Lefties Impish 116 HP, 190 Atk, 204 Def Stealth Rock EQ Ice Fang Roost Physical Sponge i would've put EVs in speed and u-turn>ice fang so u can outspd an ice beam and escape from it as well. otherwise, its good. Blissey@Lefties Bold 162 HP, 252 Def, 96 SpDef Aromatherapy Softboiled Thunder Wave Seismic Toss Special Sponge good. (err... wat else to say) Spiritomb@Lefties Bold 200 HP, 110 Def, 200 SpDef Will-o-wisp Nasty Plot Dark Pulse Pain Split Wall, SpAtk Killer not much to say here either. i'd say calm mind>nasty plot since u can power up ur STABed dark pulse and up ur sp.Def as well. that way, u can also put sum more EVs into def. Dusknoir@Lefties Careful 252 HP, 76 Def, 180 SpDef Shadow Sneak Ice Punch Will-o-wisp Pain Split Anti Spinner, Atk Killer wats up with all these tanks >.> dusknoir (IMO) is just a much better version of spiritomb. Infernape@Expert Belt Jolly 6 HP, 252 Atk, 252 Spd Thunder Punch Fire Punch Grass Knot Close Combat Physical Sweeper a suicidal move (close combat) deserves life orb. i also know ur wary of waters (grass knot) but it just wun do much against lets say, a milotic (jolly+no spAtk EVs=garbage spAtk) and if u took the time to breed in fire punch, i dun c y u couldnt have bred blaze kick instead. blaze kick/flare blitz>fire punch and rock slide/stone edge>grass knot. Swampert@Lefties Brave 108 HP, 96 Atk, 96 Def, 136 SpAtk, 72 SpDef Surf Ice Beam EQ Rest Mixed Sweeper (Rids of Skarms, Forretresses, and other sponges) how does it rid of skarms -_- (surf/ice beam isnt gonna 1HKO it b4 it roars u away) i see that u r full of physical sweepers but swampert can do so much better at being physical now. waterfall>surf and avalanche>ice beam. u could also run curse instead of rest, but if not its OK. Basically the only aim of my team is to be able to take hits while killing others. The only weakness is the BP'ers. I wasn't able to include phazers on this one. Please do comment on this. ur weakness is also spiker/SR rapists. for a spinner/spec. sweeper combo, go with starmie. timid@life orb/lefties: T-bolt, ice beam, surf, rapid spin Thanks in advance -Kleio
Sat Sep 29, 2007 9:59 am

4ever_bug_catcher Ace Trainer Joined: Thu Aug 30, 2007 1:14 pm Posts: 306 Location: lawl.	mattleinart4 wrote: Rate my team please? Gallade @ Leftovers, Steadfast Docile Psycho Cut Close Combat Strength Double Team adamant/jolly nature please. x-scissor or even leaf blade>strength. close combat is good since gallade cant even last long. EQ>double team. @choice scarf to make up for its horrible spd. Feraligatr @ King's Rock, Torrent Lax Crunch Waterfall Ice Beam Hydro Cannon adamant/jolly again plz. DDance/EQ>hydro cannon (y is it in there anyway) ice punch>ice beam and @choice band/scarf if going with EQ, @leftovers if u choose DDance Swellow @ Flame Orb, Guts Quirky Facade Quick Attack Aerial Ace Endeavor jolly plz. protect>endeavor to kick in flame orb w/o any damage. Gengar @ Leftovers, Levitate Gentle Shadow Punch Shadow Ball Toxic Thunder modest/timid. T-bolt>thunder for accuracy purposes. sludge bomb>shadow punch for STAB and punch is physical anyway. and HP something/energy ball>toxic. @ choice scarf/specs. Tyranitar @ Shell Bell, Sand Stream Lonely Flamethrower (Covers grass weakness) Thunderbolt (Covers water weakness) o yea? then how abt its fighting/bug/steel/etc weakness? Earthquake Stone Edge umm no. ditch the special atks. crunch and fire/thunder fang/DDance>T-bolt and flamethrower. lefties w/DDance or @choice band otherwise. Infenape @ King's Rock, Blaze Modest Nasty Plot Close Combat Flamethrower Blast Burn since u have a modest infernape (finally an OK nature) ditch close combat for HP fighting/focus blast? and blast burn needs to go. the special moveset for infernape is really shallow so i cant even think up of a move at the moment. @lefties again. u can try to run an adamant one and give it EQ/swords dance/flare blitz/blaze kick/stone edge/rock slide, etc... get where im going here? (get a physical one) ur also full of sweepers so u need some tanks/sponges (dusknoir, umbreon for wish-passing, skarm are possible choices) or a baton passer is really good here if u really want a sweeping team (ninjask ) Tell me what you think :roll:
Sat Sep 29, 2007 10:23 am

sanjay120 Dragon Tamer Joined: Sat Mar 24, 2007 1:43 pm Posts: 117	4ever_bug_catcher wrote: @choice scarf to make up for its horrible spd. If you want a Scarfed fighter, go with Medicham. Gallade is attacking/support, not sweeping.
Sun Sep 30, 2007 4:55 am

4ever_bug_catcher Ace Trainer Joined: Thu Aug 30, 2007 1:14 pm Posts: 306 Location: lawl.	always open for input/suggestions, ty blazinglucar wrote: Metagross @ Life Orb Adamant \| Clear Body 252 Attack - 152 HP - 104 Speed Earthquake Meteor Mash Explosion Agility bc u have agility doesnt mean u can giv ur EVs sumwhere else 252atk/252spd please (or at least more spd than hp) Porygon-Z - Wise Specs Timid \| Adaptability 252 Special Attack - 252 Speed - 4 HP Thunderbolt Ice Beam Tri Attack Nasty Plot good. my input: make sure you get a nasty plot in w/o dying (which was really hard for me so i put in dark pulse instead) Tangrowth - Leftovers Impish - Leaf Guard 252 HP - 129 Attack - 129 Defence Power Whip Leech Seed Block Sleep Powder/Stun Spore stun spore for continuous status (sleep will only last max5 turns) Milotic - Leftovers Calm \| Marvel Scale 252 Defense - 129 HP - 129 Special Defense Substitute/Sleep Talk mirror coat/sleep talk Mirror Coat/Ice Beam ice beam Recover/Rest rest Surf/Ice Beam surf shift some defEVs into spAtk to help surf/ice beam. also, rest will put marvel scale to good use and the defEVs arent so much needed. mirror coat to scare away spec. sweepers or sleep talk to deal surf/ice beam damage. Skarmory - Leftovers Impish \| Sturdy 252 HP - 252 Defence - 4 Attack Drill Peck Roost Roar Stealth Rock good. Snorlax - Leftovers Careful \| Thick Fat 252 HP - 252 Defence - 4 Attack Body Slam Earthquake Curse Rest some ppl run crunch over EQ but thats up to your pref.
Sun Sep 30, 2007 10:52 am

4ever_bug_catcher Ace Trainer Joined: Thu Aug 30, 2007 1:14 pm Posts: 306 Location: lawl.	y does this post have so many pokes -_- CHJB wrote: Okay, here's some of my pokemon... Not the best, don't blame me, it's their fault. Just kidding... it's my fault.... Kiki the timid@ charcoal (will get choice band) not sure of his EVs... earthquake rock slide blaze kick sky uppercut @jolly. timid lowers ur much-needed attack. Nindjaus the careful@ focus sash not sure of EVs once again... x-scissor confuse ray protect toxic uhh... not not sure how to comment a shedinja, but adamant would be the best (careful ups spDef, which is not needed since shedinja only has 1hp -_-) Ecmoo the gentle@ nothing really (maybe quick claw...?) not sure of EVs sadly agility sheer cold lock-on spore BPed speed and/or mean look is needed to pull this off. u cant count on agility even if u have focus sash, it just wun work. go with gastro acid>agility to negate sturdy from sum pokes Final the jolly@ nothing really (need suggestions) not sure of EVs once again brick break rock slide eathquake crunch sure, @life orb/choice band CRAZAZOA the jolly@ expert belt (may like something else) not sure of EVs!! ariel ace brick break earthquake roost ice/thunderpunch>roost. or if u want, DD+outrage>arial ace+roost and give it persim to heal confusion afterwards. (just to tell you, I made a couple phsyical sweepers, just to see which is best) SPIRITOTH the sassy@ leftovers not sure of EVs.... will-O-wisp ice punch shadow punch rest since its sassy, this would work on a trick room team. ice punch is good but if u put in brick break, it will hit everything for at least normal damage (ghost+fighting=no resist) Z the Amazing mild@ silk scarf (makes his uber normal attacks more uber, but I should change it...) EVs:255 spatk and 255 speed (who needs that 4 hp?) tri attack hyper beam (for the finishing blooow!) dark pulse nasty plot (in case I see something I can survive a turn against) @lefties. and NO HYPER BEAM; a wasted turn can lead to disaster (free DDance from lets say, a TTar) so switch that out for thunderbolt. ice beam>dark pulse so u'll have a boltbeamer. MEW the (you guessed it) sassy@ life orb EVs:don't ask, I seriously don't have a clue... fly (sometimes I want a pokemon to fly around on, I'll get rid of for competitive play) psychic softboiled ice beam umm mew can do w/e u want it to do. u can switch out fly for t-bolt for another boltbeamer. softboiled is meh, but again, mew can do w/e u want it to do. Okay, that's all my pokemon that I need rated - thanks in advance! for sum reason, everyx i preview the post, the zangoose moveset doesnt appear O_o wierd.
Sun Sep 30, 2007 6:26 pm

Sapphirath Pokemon Ranger Joined: Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:25 am Posts: 627 Location: Singapore	Again, do PM me if you have any problems. Roar Of Time wrote: Please Rate my team Garchomp Nature -Naughty Item-Lum berry Swords dance dragon claw Earthquake Brick Break EVs-252 attack 252 Speed 6 Hp Naughty is a no can do, you're not teaching any special moves right? So what's the point of getting a Naughty one? Get an Adamant/Jolly one, it will be a lot better. Also, depending on situations, you might want to switch Brick Break with Crunch/Rockslide. Kingdra-Modest Nature-Item-Choice Specs Ability-Sniper Ice beam Dragon Pulse Surf Flash Cannon Evs-252 Sp atk 125 def 125sp def In my opinion, Signal Beam would be a much better move for Kingdra but if you don't feel like breeding a new one then just stick with Flash Cannon. Also, if you're giving it a Choice Specs, you would want to ensure that your Kingdra gets the first hit most of the time so max out 252 EVs into its Speed rather then into its Def & Sp. Def. Latios-Calm Nature-Item-Wise Glasses Dragon Pulse Calm Mind Psychic Recover EVs-252 Sp atk 252 speed 6 hp One very important thing you missed out, Latios is considered an Uber when you give it a Soul dew but if you don't have a Soul Dew then I suggest you give it Lum berry. Also, you'll want to max out its natural Special Sweeper capabilities by getting a Timid/Modest one and if you want to counter more types then you should teach it Surf/Thunderbolt. Other than that, an overall good moveset for a Latios. Dragonite-Nature-Naughty Item-Persim berry Outrage Dragon dance Aerial ace Roost EVs-252 atk 252 speed 6 hp Basically, I don't really like the Outrage + Persim Berry combo cos it's so very easily countered. So teach these instead: Dragon Dance, Fly (Cos its power is now 90.), Earthquake and Aqua Tail. This way, you'll be able to hit every single Pokemon in the game for at least Neutral Damage. Also, do change that nature into Jolly/Adamant and an item like a Yache Berry will work wonders with Dragonite cos people will be blasting it with Ice Type moves. Shiny Gyarados-Jolly Nature- No item Ice fang Stone edge aqua tail Dragon dance EVs-252 atk 252 speed 6 hp Ok, in my opinion, between Earthquake and Stone Edge, Earthquake would make a better choice for Gyrados. An item like a Wacan Berry will work wonders with Gyarados cos many people will be blasting its quad weakness with Electric Attacks. Charizard-Modest Nature-No item Dragon Pulse Flamethrower Air Slash Roost Evs-252 Sp atk 252 speed 6 hp A nice Special Sweeper you have there, I have no comment with the moves and I would suggest a King's Rock/Charti Berry/Passho Berry/Wacan Berry for an item. Last edited by Sapphirath on Tue Oct 02, 2007 1:11 am, edited 1 time in total.
Mon Oct 01, 2007 3:39 am

4ever_bug_catcher Ace Trainer Joined: Thu Aug 30, 2007 1:14 pm Posts: 306 Location: lawl.	1 rate then homework -_- spoiledyukio wrote: my new team recomend any Ev spread or possible swithes Metagross-Clearbody adamant leftovers bulletpunch EQ zen headbtt mag rise sweeper plus resists intimidate wheres MM? if this is ur opener, then MM/rock slide/agility>mag rise/zen headbutt (magnet rise its a novelty move and only a novelty move) bulletpunch is good to ruin focus sashers. usually its a 252atk/252spd/6hp but sum put more EVs from spd into hp... its totally up to you on that part. @life orb/choice band Starmie-natural cure timid leftovers surf ice beam psycic recover yet an other special sweeper recover is for novelty purposes on a starmie... it mostly wont take a hit anyway. you dun have a spinner so rapid spin>recover. also, u may want T-bolt in there so u'll have a boltbeamer. if u do want, put it over psychic. 252spAtk/252spd/6 into something clefable-magicgaurd calm leftovers cosmic power softboiled T-wave Seimic toss my tank preety obvious strategy good. some ppl give it toxic/flame orb bc magic guard prevents damage from it and also grants immunity to sleep/paraylsis/freeze,etc. 252hp/129def/129spDef seviper timid Sludge bomb Dark pulse haze Flamethrower or giga drain my othr sweeper @lefties. i'd go with giga drain to try and take down grounds, but then again, alot of nonground pokes carry EQ. mamoswine -oblivious adamant Curse EQ ice shard ??????? curs up then sweep with ice shard do u need anything else? lol. ice shard+curse FTW. go w/ rock slide for the final move and ur set. @lefties again. roserade-natural cure modest choice specs sludge bomb energy ball HP fire Shadow ball spec sweeper sure. but modest cross-demands choice scarf (its speed needs boosting too) pls provide constructional critisism
Mon Oct 01, 2007 2:19 pm

Sapphirath Pokemon Ranger Joined: Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:25 am Posts: 627 Location: Singapore	I answer your call... bushin wrote: Hey raters don't give up yet... keep up the good work... and speaking of work... rate for me yes??? Pretty plz??? It's mine untested Trick Room Evil Team @ Expert Belt Adamant Ev:Atk-252 Spd-252 Ability:Stead Fast -Stone Edge -Earthquake -Crunch -Bullet punch A sweeper every team need one has a priority changed move, he is cool,strong and have many resistances,good starter on mine opinion... He is indeed a good starter, but I suggest you do away with Stone Edge (I think an accuracy of 80 may be a little too risky.) and teach Blaze Kick (Breed with Hitmonlee) instead cos Sweepers often cannot afford to miss (You may not realise it now, but when your Lucario misses at the wrong time you will be hopping mad.) as they can't tank damage. Also, Lucario should be fast enough to go first in many situations so do away with Bullet Punch and teach Swords Dance instead and you would have one Super Sweeper. @Choice Band Brave Ev:Att & HP Max Ability:Immunity -Return -EarthQuake -Thunder Punch -Self-Destruct A TR abuser he is slow enough to be very fast... ó.ó Choice Band,Return for stab,EQ ,Thunder Punch for Skarm/ and other flyers and self-Destruct (See if you can survive a Choice-Stabed-350Att-200Base damage attack...i guess not) Basically, I think if you're going to abuse TR, then I guess it won't hurt to use the Belly Drum + Rest + Chesto Berry combo. For Snorlax I suggest you teach Ice Punch and Earthquake/Thunder Punch in addition to Belly Drum & Rest cos you'll be able to counter more types. For this case, you'll have to give it a Leftovers instead of a Choice Band and in my opinion, Thick Fat would be better than Immunity cos it gives you resistances against 2 very commonly used types of moves, Fire & Ice. Of course, this is only a suggestion so if you feel like using Snorlax for the Self-Destruct then that's fine too. (I know how well that Choice Band + Self-Destruct combo works cos I've tried it before.) @Leftovers Relaxed Ev:HP:252 Att:129 Sp.Def:129 Ability:Pressure -Shadow Punch -Fire Punch -Trick Room -W-o-W/Pain Split The first Trick Roomer i put fire punch for cover some types that Snor/luca can't and W-o-W for annoy Pain Split for for some recovery. No comment. @Chesto B. Sassy Ev:HP:252 Att:129 Sp.Def:129 Ability:Leaf Guard -Leaf Blade -X-Scissor -Rest -Curse I guess some or even would be better,but i just love the eevee's family... Curse-Rest and sweep after TR... Leafeon by nature already has a high Def so I suggest that you teach Swords Dance Instead. or @ Leftovers Quiet Ev:HP-252 S.Att-252 Ability:Own Tempo -Surf -Ice Beam -Focus Blast -Trick Room I need some fire resistence(2 Steels) and another TRer the only good non-uber choice i found...Slow(king)(bro)! Again, I'm not the kind who likes to take chances so I think your Slowking/bro would be better off with Psychic rather than Focus Blast cos Focus Blast has such a low accuracy. @Soul Dew/White Herb Shiny Timid Ev:S.Att & Speed Max Ability:Levitate -Draco Meteor -Shadow Ball -Energy Ball -Thunderbolt Now my special little dragon girl... Man i can tell'ya she is nasty one... Don't mess with her or you might get hurt... I agree with the part that she is nasty and I'll have you know this, there is no other item that holds greater priority than a Soul Dew for the Dragon twins. There is of course, the exception of battles in the Battle Tower, where the Soul Dew is useless. Ok, basically I think if you want to counter as many types as possible then I suggest this moveset: Ice Beam, Thunderbolt, Surf and Psychic/Shadow Ball/Dragon Pulse. Also, I know how tempting it is to use the Draco Meteor + White Herb combo but trust me, the moveset I suggested is far better for Latias. The Idea is use trick room And Attack first using slower pokes... Nothing very hard.. In that case, I suppose you'll have to make sure that your Lucario and Latias goes first if not they will be badly affected by TR as they are Sweepers.
Tue Oct 02, 2007 2:32 am

Bluestrike Dragon Tamer Joined: Thu Mar 22, 2007 1:32 pm Posts: 204 Location: Avatar by Me!!!	Ok! Another team. This is only for casual battles with friends, so i dont think i need a rapidspinner/baton passer etc. @ ??? -Tri Attack -Thunderbolt -Ice Beam -Nasty Plot @ ??? -Drill Peck -Spikes -Whirlwind/Roar -Roost/Rest @ Leftovers -T-Wave -Aromatherapy -Seismic Toss -Softboiled @ ??? -Curse -Earthquake -Avalanche -vv See Below vv My fourth move is my problem here. Ground + Ice only has 4 resists, so maybe a third attacking move is not essential. Maybe rest/protect/hammer arm/body slam/return/toxic/double team/roar? I only said roar because I know my friend has a Gallade with leaf blade. =death for swampert. @ ??? -Wish -Toxic -Baton-Pass -Mean Look/Double Team I need a sixth, and I am very unsure about Umbreon. I liek SkarmBliss, and i quite want a wisher, but I really dont know. Your thoughts? _________________ No signature here.... Last edited by Bluestrike on Mon Oct 08, 2007 2:07 pm, edited 3 times in total.
Tue Oct 02, 2007 10:46 am

Peanut-Lover Site Administrator Joined: Wed Jul 05, 2006 10:32 am Posts: 1917 Location: Brooklyn, NY	Request list wrote: Page 30 bushin pink_blizts fordrice DaBest Page 31 grindhouse spongedude audiovision bluestrike I have a major genetics project, just doing this for order. Note to the raters: Don't double post. If no one posted after you, edit your post, please.
Tue Oct 02, 2007 3:06 pm

4ever_bug_catcher Ace Trainer Joined: Thu Aug 30, 2007 1:14 pm Posts: 306 Location: lawl.	plink_blizts wrote: here's my team, they're not very strong yet..... Roselia @ no item Timid nature -energy ball -double team -shadow ball -leech seed ur going for a half-bulky grass and special sweeper: specialize. for a bulky-grass roserade: @lefties/black sludge energy ball leech seed spikes substitute or a spec sweeper one (more useful IMO): @lefties/black sludge shadow ball energy ball sludge bomb leech seed Pikachu @ no item light ball, or evolve it Timid nature -thunderbolt -rain dance -agility -hidden power (water) or light screen hmm... HP water nice, good for those who cant get surf on it (but if u can, go with surf) i've really never tried rain dance, so i dunno how good it can be. i would think that pika cant take the hit, but then again it is pikachu T-wave>agility (or rain dance, if u tested it and sux) Prinplup @ no item lefties Bold nature -ice beam -surf -? -? empoleon (or soon to be) fits more into a spec sponge role IMO. aqua ring/rest>ice beam (mayb u can leave as is). stealth rock and yawn(to force switches) goes into the final 2 spots Gengar @ no item choice specs Modest nature -psychic -hidden power (grass) -shadow ball -dark pulse dark pulse and shadow ball basically are the same. t-bolt>dark pulse and sludge bomb>HPgrass/psychic fo STAB. Monferno @ no item Lonely nature -brick break -flamethrower -? -? infernape (or soon to be) has a lonely nature, which is useless unless u try to make it a mixed sweeper. to take the most out of the nature: @life orb flamethrower close combat thunderpunch/EQ/grass knot/stone edge/rock slide thunderpunch/EQ/grass knot/stone edge/rock slide a decent skarmbliss killer as well. Gible @ no item Naive nature -double team -dragon rage -drango claw -? I haven't started training Gible yet, he's only at lv 10 naive? err... jolly wouldve been better: @lefties/choice band dragon claw EQ rock slide/stone edge/crunch/fire fang swords dance/crunch/fire fang/stone edge/rock slide
Wed Oct 03, 2007 3:33 pm

Sapphirath Pokemon Ranger Joined: Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:25 am Posts: 627 Location: Singapore	Again, do pm me if you have any problems. Da best wrote: Rate my new team: Heracross Jolly Guts Megahorn Stone Egde Earthquake Brick Break I can see what you're trying to get at here but I've one combo here that you'll love for sure: Swords Dance, Endure, Reversal and Night Slash. 1) You'll never have to fear any Type..you'll hit all Pokemon in the game for at least Neutral Damage. 2) They either get blasted by reversal or they get hit by a Powered Up Night Slash (That is, if they're resistant against Fightning Types, otherwise, do use Reversal.) cos you'll most likely have Swords Danced before. And, good news, 2 of the types whom Fighting types moves are weak at are the Ghost and Psychic types. Your Night Slash will cut through them like a Hot Knife through Butter. 3) Lastly, you must give it a Salac Berry in order for this combo to work at its fullest and make sure you max out its Speed by Hook or by Crook. Electivire Jolly Motor Drive Thunder Punch Brick Break Fire Punch Ice Punch Hhmmm..a nice moveset, but I think Cross Chop works better than Brick Break. Of course, if you don't want to go through the trouble of breeding a new one and all that stuff then I understand. Garchomp Adamant Sand Veil Fire Blast Sword Dance Earthquake Dragon Claw At last, I see someone who knows how well Swords Dance works with Garchomp...but one problem, never teach Special Moves to Physical Sweepers...that's what I always think. Do replace that with Crunch/Rockslide/Fire Fang, it works so much better. Darkrai Timid Bad Dreams Thunderbolt Psychic Dark Void Dark Pulse Darkrai became one of the Pokemon at the top of my list when I found out how Evil it can get. My combo is similar to yours, but I taught Double Team instead of Psychic as it works hand in hand with his Dark Void. Just put the foe to sleep and Double Team away. of course, you'll need a leftovers for this combo and you can always swap Dark Pulse for Ice Beam when necessary. Honestly, this combo is unstoppable... Spirtomb Bold Pressure Psychic Nasty Plot Shadow Ball Dark Pulse Not bad, except maybe you can teach WOW instead of Shadow Ball cos you already have Dark Pulse, and do remember to give it a Quick Claw...its speed really fails it. Manaphy Modest Hydration Surf Icebeam Tail Glow Energy Ball Overall ok, but I think Shadow Ball would be better than Energy Ball. (Surf already takes care of Rock & Ground types, which means you'll only be countering Water type Pokemon with that move. So switch to shadow ball and you can counter many other Pokemon, like Mewtwo for an Example. Yeah this time I spelled with correct english since we in school LOL
Thu Oct 04, 2007 10:48 pm

brian Dragon Tamer Joined: Sat Oct 28, 2006 9:18 am Posts: 101 Location: Netherlands	close combat flame wheel rock slide calm mind (planning to change to those moves){azelf} psychic thunderbolt flamethower energy ball Aura sphere ancientpower dragon claw/dragon pulse/spacial rend ice beam dig crunch brick break surf/ice beam Last edited by brian on Fri Oct 05, 2007 6:53 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Fri Oct 05, 2007 10:13 am

Bushin Pokemon Ranger Joined: Mon Aug 14, 2006 9:39 am Posts: 689 Location: Brazil-Minas Gerais	Hey what's up? Now thanks to my beloved pokéradar i present my Shiny Team Hinata Female @liechi b. Shiny Adamant Hp & Att 200 Speed:110 Sand Stream -Earthquake -Stone Edge -Crunch -Rock Polish Ok...First i use rock polish for boosting my speed, then if i can survive the first attack,my little Hinata gain a attack boost...and hits the foe big time... Skytalla Female @Lum B. Shiny Impish Hp & Def Max Sturdy -???? -Toxic -Stealth Rock/Spikes -Roar I don't use skarmory that much but i'm open to suggestions... I use after Hinata,maybe to counter some pesky fight or ground type sweppers... Shiny @Thick Club Careful Hp:110 Att & S.Def:200 trait:Any of the two... -EQ -Rock Slide -???? -???? I simple dunno what to do with it... remember i can't breed those... Shiny @Salac B Serious Hp:150 Sp.Att:180 Speed:180 Serene Grace -Aura Sphere -Air Slash -Flamethrower -Nasty Plot Looks like hinata...First use nasty plot,if survives the first blow with low hp,gain salac boost,adding the flinchax Shiny @Leftovers Adamant Hp & Att:Max ???? -Focus Punch -Power Whip -EQ -Substitute That's it... _________________ Get your custom sprites,avatars and signatures at Froggy's Lilypad! My Youtube Channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/Bushin22 Watch,Comment,Rate and Enjoy! ^_^x Currently BUSY with real life,so i might take a while to respond messages or RMTs... Sorry,I might be back someday...
Fri Oct 05, 2007 1:14 pm

DaltonTrigger Bug Catcher Joined: Fri Oct 05, 2007 11:10 am Posts: 7	I am trying to base my team around Pokemon I like rather than powerful ones, so here's some ideas I have. I can't decide which six or three are my favorites, so I'm planning to just raise a bunch I like, and swap them out as I see fit. I haven't fully raised this team yet or used the TMs, so I still have time to change strategies if I must. Edit: I am editing my own post as I come up with my own ideas to improve my team. My current idea is to have fewer Pokemon use weather moves, ie, have just Sunny Day and Hail rather than SD, Hail, SS, and RD. That way I waste fewer rounds adjusting the weather. @Wide Lens (f) Will-O-Wisp Fire Fang Protect Iron Tail. My favorite Pokemon, so I choose her despite how weak she is. The Wide Lens is because her two best moves (Will-O-Wisp and Fire Fang) both miss too often to be reliable. I really don't know what else to do with her as she lacks the staying power to be a Toxic killer and Fire Spin no longer prevents enemies from attacking. Edit: But with the Wide Lens, Iron Tail might actually hit... maybe. Still undependable, but if Flareon gets forced against a rock type it gives her a chance. @Lum Berry (m) Surf Acid Armor Aqua Ring Baton Pass Typical Baton Pass strategy I suppose. I pretty much have him to pump up his defense, use Aqua Ring, and pass it off to another Pokemon that could benefit from it (namely Leafeon or Flareon, but whomever...) @Leftovers (m) Sunny Day Synthesis Leaf Blade Fourth move...? My 'tank', I guess. His job is pretty much to try to outlive enemies, especially given my team's tendency toward status effects. Perhaps I'll give him Toxic? Or maybe another strong move to take advantage of his high attack power. Edit: Looking at his stats more closely, and realizing how weak grass is to so many types, I don't plan to use Leafeon fully as a tank. More like a physical sweeper with just an unusually high defense. Toxic still seems like the most viable fourth move, giving me a slight chance against all but steel types. If only Vaporeon could learn Water Sport... @??? (f) Sleep Powder Dream Eater Whirlwind Bug Buzz Sleep Powder is usually 75% accurate, but with Butterfree's Compound Eyes it should hit nearly 100% of the time. Dream Eater and Bug Buzz take advantage of her high special attack while at the same time restoring her HP based on the damage she does... maybe I should give her Big Root? Or maybe replace Bug Buzz with Giga Drain? Whirlwind is of course for pseudo-hazing, annoying enemies, or getting rid of unfavorable type matchups. @??? (m) Hail Blizzard Haze Shadow Ball The last move I am unsure of. Possibly Water Pulse in case he gets stuck against a fire type, since it will have the triple benefit of working with his special attack rating, being super effective, ad perhaps confusing. Edit: To take care of Pokemon that ice doesn't work against, Shadow Ball will use Glaceon's special attack to his advantage. It also gives my team a little extra anti-psychic/ghost. @Focus Band (?) Endeavor Aerial Ace Close Combat Double Team I chose Aerial Ace over Brave Bird because I wanted my team to have another always-hit move. Gender is a question mark because I haven't bred a good Starly yet. @Bright Powder? (m) Rock Slide/Throw/whatever Stealth Rock Rapid Spin Earthquake Not really sure how much I like this. And you know, I find it pretty disappointing how few Pokemon have a way to defend themselves against spikes and traps! At any rate, Stealth Rock would make a good combo with Butterfree's strategy of nailing enemies with status afflictions and swapping them out. Edit: Not sure about Bright Powder any more, but now using Sandslash as a spiker/sweeper rather than a sandstorm annoyer. It's better this way as it doesn't force my team to waste so many rounds changing the weather. At any rate, my Sandslash's nature and EV gives him high defense and special defense so he should be able to survive a few hits while he does his thing. @??? (f) ??? I have no idea. I tried using things like Me First, but it turned out to stink. She doesn't have the durability to be a Baton Passer, and rarely even lives long enough to use Foresight. Her special attack is HORRENDOUS, so she can't use any special moves really. So far the only thing I do is pretty much have her use Return over and over. It at least does good damage... but I have no idea how to use a Furret. I think I'd stick U-turn on there too, maybe... sigh Apologies and thanks to those who read this post. I am sorry to be another n00b n00bing up the forum. Neutral _________________ Dalton Trigger, the intarweb's only Pokemon-raising God-worshipping Flareon-loving Military-Policing raccoon! Last edited by DaltonTrigger on Sat Oct 06, 2007 8:14 am, edited 1 time in total.
Fri Oct 05, 2007 8:10 pm

Holifax Gym Leader Joined: Tue Feb 08, 2005 6:59 pm Posts: 1039 Location: Michigan	It has been a while since I needed some help on a moveset, cant remember if this is the place for opinions or not. I need a good moveset for Lapras and Kanga. _________________ [b]I'm Back Jack Crosman/Bambino 2013[/b]
Fri Oct 05, 2007 9:07 pm

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