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Wilesthegreat
Dragon Tamer
Joined: Sun Sep 24, 2006 11:51 am Posts: 105
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Why is Wobbufet in the Uber tier, its seems like there is plenty to do to counter him
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Wed Aug 20, 2008 12:20 pm |
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conman2k8
Psychic Trainer
Joined: Sat Jul 12, 2008 7:23 am Posts: 67
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It's because of its ability, being able to trap your oppenent is pretty useful. Otherwise, it's not that good.
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Wed Aug 20, 2008 12:34 pm |
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hubba
Psychic Trainer
Joined: Tue Sep 18, 2007 11:22 pm Posts: 73
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this is why:
Wobby @ lefties
shadow tag
-encore
-mirror coat
-counter
-destiny bond
switch in, encore, and pick either mirror coat or counter. then, if times get rough, use destiny bond and its all said and done.
dont underestimate Wobby, he's a powerful ally... but you're right, he can be countered easily. use Taunt, and he's stuck. i read somewhere around here that Wobby is being tested in the OU tier, but im not sure as to how thats going.
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Wed Aug 20, 2008 2:36 pm |
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Frost
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Joined: Wed Aug 04, 2004 3:29 am Posts: 1581 Location: Purple Ranger
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Wobbuffet was tested in OU a few months ago and he got kicked right back out. His ability means he has no counters and that he would centralize the tier to a point where Pokemon would be carrying moves like Toxic just to have a chance to deal with Wobbuffet. Save me the Taunt or the Physical Ghost/Special Dark stuff. If Wobbuffet's player senses trouble (or if Wobbuffet gets Taunted), Wobbuffet can be switched out to little ill effect. The opponent of Wobbuffet, on the other hand, is stuck against him until Wobbuffet leaves the field. And, no, Arena Trap is not in the same league as Shadow Tag.
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Wed Aug 20, 2008 3:11 pm |
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Wilesthegreat
Dragon Tamer
Joined: Sun Sep 24, 2006 11:51 am Posts: 105
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But really at most wobby would only be able to take down one pokemon, then you send in something like DDTar and set up and theres nothing they can do about it
Another question, Why is Deoxys-S in OU?
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Wed Aug 20, 2008 7:09 pm |
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Volke
Ace Trainer
Joined: Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:08 pm Posts: 451 Location: Suwanee, GA, USA
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hubba wrote: switch in, encore, and pick either mirror coat or counter. then, if times get rough, use destiny bond and its all said and done.
dont underestimate Wobby, he's a powerful ally... but you're right, he can be countered easily. use Taunt, and he's stuck. i read somewhere around here that Wobby is being tested in the OU tier, but im not sure as to how thats going.
Wait, I heard that Counter and Mirror Coat aren't stopped by Taunt.
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Wed Aug 20, 2008 9:36 pm |
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Frost
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Wilesthegreat wrote: But really at most wobby would only be able to take down one pokemon, then you send in something like DDTar and set up and theres nothing they can do about it
Uh, yeah. That's the problem. Wobbuffet takes down at least one Pokemon a match and it's extremely hard to prevent it from doing this. And it's not like "Wobbuffet kills something, and then it rolls over and dies." If something comes in as a revenge counter and Wobbuffet has trouble handling it, he can switch out, get Wish support, and come back in and do the same thing later. It's back in Ubers for good reason.
Deoxys-S got a test period at the same time Wobbuffet did, and Smogon members deemed it as acceptable for OU... for a couple of months at least. Smogon is testing banning Deoxys-S yet again, along with Garchomp, at the moment. Compared to other Ubers, Deoxys-S didn't seem like it would be that much of a threat in OU at first glance; but, as he eased into the metagame, people started to realize that he could fill many roles, and now he's again a suspect.
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Wed Aug 20, 2008 9:57 pm |
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Wilesthegreat
Dragon Tamer
Joined: Sun Sep 24, 2006 11:51 am Posts: 105
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But still, if a majority of your pokemon have stat uppers then really wobbufet is just a free power up
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Thu Aug 21, 2008 8:15 am |
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Frost
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No, it's not. Wobbuffet can easily Encore its opponents after they use Dragon Dance/Swords Dance/Nasty Plot/whatever and then the Wobbuffet player gets a free switch to something that can maul the current opponent. At this point, the opponent's choice is either to switch out, nullifying the stat boosts anyway, or to attempt to ride out the Encore against something that can easily kill his or her Pokemon. Wobbuffet doesn't get hurt in such a scenario at all.
Wobbuffet is a very predictable Pokemon, but it's also extremely hard to stop it from playing its strengths.
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Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:10 am |
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Wilesthegreat
Dragon Tamer
Joined: Sun Sep 24, 2006 11:51 am Posts: 105
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o that would suck
what about something with area trap and a stat upper?
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Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:41 am |
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Mega_Horn
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Joined: Thu Jun 08, 2006 5:55 pm Posts: 318 Location: Connecticut.
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Wilesthegreat wrote: o that would suck
what about something with area trap and a stat upper?
There isn't such thing.
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Thu Aug 21, 2008 1:41 pm |
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Wilesthegreat
Dragon Tamer
Joined: Sun Sep 24, 2006 11:51 am Posts: 105
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o sorry I should have checked
can you baton pass out of shadow tag?
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Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:05 pm |
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Jeneus
Dragon Tamer
Joined: Mon Jul 07, 2008 1:59 pm Posts: 173
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Wilesthegreat wrote: o sorry I should have checked
can you baton pass out of shadow tag?
I think you can baton pass.
Wobb's easy for me. :] Put him asleep, and go boom! I usually carry a sleeper. (Gengar, Darkrai, Breloom etc..)
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Fri Aug 22, 2008 7:27 pm |
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sanjay120
Dragon Tamer
Joined: Sat Mar 24, 2007 1:43 pm Posts: 117
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No one lets Wobby get slept and he usually has Aromatherapy/Heal Bell support.
He picks his battles as he pleases. That's too much for this metagame, so he's banned.
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Sun Aug 24, 2008 4:35 pm |
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The Pokemon Master
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Joined: Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:47 pm Posts: 181 Location: Texas
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In order to take one out I use a two turn move like solar beam.
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Mon Aug 25, 2008 10:37 am |
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Jeneus
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The Pokemon Master wrote: In order to take one out I use a two turn move like solar beam.
Wouldn't it know to use mirror coat then?
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Mon Aug 25, 2008 12:04 pm |
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Registeel_Rocks
Gym Leader
Joined: Fri Mar 11, 2005 7:33 pm Posts: 1578 Location: Wisconsin
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The Pokemon Master wrote: In order to take one out I use a two turn move like solar beam.
Using a two-turn move on Wobbuffet is one of the worst things you can do. The Wobbuffet user would know exactly which move to select on the next turn.
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Mon Aug 25, 2008 12:47 pm |
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The Pokemon Master
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Joined: Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:47 pm Posts: 181 Location: Texas
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That was only an example that could work in a double battle if you had your other pokemon use sunny day.
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Mon Aug 25, 2008 1:53 pm |
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Jeneus
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Joined: Mon Jul 07, 2008 1:59 pm Posts: 173
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Ah, okay. The Wobb user could still guess though. That's why they're so evil. x]
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Mon Aug 25, 2008 2:58 pm |
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Wilesthegreat
Dragon Tamer
Joined: Sun Sep 24, 2006 11:51 am Posts: 105
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wobbufet wouldn't work in a double battle at all
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Mon Aug 25, 2008 6:09 pm |
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Volke
Ace Trainer
Joined: Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:08 pm Posts: 451 Location: Suwanee, GA, USA
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Wilesthegreat wrote: wobbufet wouldn't work in a double battle at all
So true; you could just double gang Wobbufet befor it gets a chance to move.
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Mon Aug 25, 2008 6:32 pm |
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Jeneus
Dragon Tamer
Joined: Mon Jul 07, 2008 1:59 pm Posts: 173
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Wilesthegreat wrote: wobbufet wouldn't work in a double battle at all
He worked for me. :]
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Wed Aug 27, 2008 6:17 pm |
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Matrix35
Pokemon Trainer
Joined: Tue Nov 20, 2007 8:22 pm Posts: 25 Location: <(^.^)>
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Its a guessing game if u use wobb on a mixed sweeper 
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Mon Sep 01, 2008 12:21 pm |
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sanjay120
Dragon Tamer
Joined: Sat Mar 24, 2007 1:43 pm Posts: 117
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Matrix35 wrote: Its a guessing game if u use wobb on a mixed sweeper 
Encore. It's definitely bulky enough.
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Wed Sep 03, 2008 6:07 pm |
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pokemonrox96
Dragon Tamer
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my rating:
wobbuffet (6/10 D)
Good: Counter (risky but works if physical attack)
Mirror Coat (cant remeber if he learns that...)
Bad: No TMs/HMs can be learned
So.....ICK!
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Sun Sep 21, 2008 8:31 am |
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