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A little video I made: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=I6Kl1jzlazw






Obviously it is very tongue in cheek but I like it and I hope you do too. Thanks for giving your time to watch it!


Sat Sep 20, 2008 4:46 pm
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I lol'd :lol:


And that is why I gave up caring about the tiers of pokemon, and rather play with the ones I find interesting.


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lol thanks that means a lot!

Yeah I think this Chomp ban wont last long, Smogon has never taken such a hard hit to its credibility before.


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That is brilliant, I never liked Garchomp, but I did feel bumping him up to Uber was unnecessary

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garchomp doesnt quite belong in ubers but hes prettty close


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The following message isn't directed at anyone in particular, but to everyone as a whole who complain/whine/moan about Garchomp being moved to ubers:

Bawwwwwwwww

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Registeel_Rocks wrote:
The following message isn't directed at anyone in particular, but to everyone as a whole who complain/whine/moan about Garchomp being moved to ubers:

Bawwwwwwwww

lol it doesnt bother me i dont use a garchomp anyways i just enjoyed killing them with my lvl 1 ratata :D

warning the following is extremly off topic:
anyone every wonder where they came up with the name smogon...i mean seriously what a stupid name rofl


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Smogon is Koffing in German. In their logo they have Koffing. Any sense to you?

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Registeel_Rocks wrote:
The following message isn't directed at anyone in particular, but to everyone as a whole who complain/whine/moan about Garchomp being moved to ubers:

Bawwwwwwwww



I thought you didn't care about Competitive Battling. Besides not everyone agrees with Garchomp being bumped to Ubers tier anyways.


Honestly I stop caring about what Smogon thought when they moved Garchomp to ubers and not Deoxys-E.

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Pokemaniac wrote:
I thought you didn't care about Competitive Battling.

I didn't see anything that implied I did care. All I see is me crudely mocking the competitive players who get so upset about changes like this to their precious metagame.

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I'm a competitive battler, and I loved the bump. I was sick of Garchomp and the arguments for Uberfying it made sense, so yeah.

Nice video.


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Smogon aside, that flash just wasn't funny.

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Meh, I don't even listen to smogon. I can make great "UU-BL" teams that can crumble people's OU teams. *strategy*

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I'm amazed this Garchomp thing went this far. Garchomp shouldn't be an uber. An uber's stronger than Garchomp would ever hope to be.
Every second of this vid was true, which is why it's so funny. Except the part about the Nazis. That's just wrong. :mad:

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...Im guessing smogon's reason was because it was pointless to have everyone either using a Garchomp or needing a Counter. I agree that its too weak for Uber, but its far too good for OU.

Nobody said Smogon was the boss of everyone's teams, its their opinion and people follow it.

And the gay people thing and Nazi things just were not funny. And Smogon doesn't care for Serebii noobs, I think they'd go on other things too.

Just my thoughts. :/

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ya garchomp is pretty much NU now, its really good in standards, but sucks in uber. and deoxys speed is basically garbage now that its uber. However, I do find Smogon extremely helpful when trying to make a team. I don't always follow they're movesets exactly, but they have some good ideas.

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Garchomp=dirt vs ubers...
It's okay...
It will get shredded, and smogon is messed up. Great vid... no calling me a hippocrit(did I spell that right?)
I could kill garchomp with my Grumpig.

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I agree that Smogon has become a repository of egomaniacs. However, they're dedicated egomaniacs, and there's a system to ensure at least a modicum of observation in a test environment under both controlled and uncontrolled conditions to back up decisions like the Garchomp ban. Ultimately, the only issues affected by Smogon decisions are those related to the Shoddy tournament tiers. Those who choose to follow Smogon/Shoddy tiers and rules - and often people pick and choose which rules and tier lists they'll follow anyway - usually do so because they make sense in the context in which those people want to play, not because they're directed from on high by the lords of Pokemon. There's a reason that a lot of the best minds on Psypoke use terms and reasoning spawned on Smogon. Hell, how many people here have accounts there, too?

I support the Garchomp ban. Just not necessarily for all the same reasons the Smogon/Shoddy crew chose to ban it. Ultimately, if the metagame shifts enough to warrant it, I have every belief that Garchomp will drop back to OU. I don't usually like to :violin: at those who want to raise issues counter to the mainstream voice, but the complaints about this ban sound a little butthurt to me. :/

And while I can tell there was definite work put into the video, it frankly required too much investment of my time and energy - and too much predisposition against Smogon - for me to care to watch it in its entirety. You're preaching to the choir with that one; the congregation already went back to their regularly scheduled browsing.

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Cactuar wrote:
Garchomp=dirt vs ubers...
It's okay...
It will get shredded, and smogon is messed up. Great vid... no calling me a hippocrit(did I spell that right?)
I could kill garchomp with my Grumpig.

Lol, Cactuar, what do you know? Last I checked you don't even EV train. You're right about Garchomp getting killed in ubers, but the Uber tier wasn't originally made to be a tier of its own; it's a ban list for standard to take away overpowering and overcentralizing Pokemon. Yes, it will get shredded (it might have a chance...maybe). No, Smogon is not messed up; they know what they're talking about because they do extensive testing. Unless you were being sarcastic, Grumpig could never stand up to Garchomp (even though it is cute).

My stance on the matter? It was a bit overcentralizing (forcing you to have an ice beamer -- even that wasn't enough, you basically lose 2 pokes), but I don't really care either way. It might come down eventually. You never know...

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I agree that Smogon has become a repository of egomaniacs. However, they're dedicated egomaniacs, and there's a system to ensure at least a modicum of observation in a test environment under both controlled and uncontrolled conditions to back up decisions like the Garchomp ban. Ultimately, the only issues affected by Smogon decisions are those related to the Shoddy tournament tiers. Those who choose to follow Smogon/Shoddy tiers and rules - and often people pick and choose which rules and tier lists they'll follow anyway - usually do so because they make sense in the context in which those people want to play, not because they're directed from on high by the lords of Pokemon. There's a reason that a lot of the best minds on Psypoke use terms and reasoning spawned on Smogon. Hell, how many people here have accounts there, too?

I support the Garchomp ban. Just not necessarily for all the same reasons the Smogon/Shoddy crew chose to ban it. Ultimately, if the metagame shifts enough to warrant it, I have every belief that Garchomp will drop back to OU. I don't usually like to :violin: at those who want to raise issues counter to the mainstream voice, but the complaints about this ban sound a little butthurt to me. :/

And while I can tell there was definite work put into the video, it frankly required too much investment of my time and energy - and too much predisposition against Smogon - for me to care to watch it in its entirety. You're preaching to the choir with that one; the congregation already went back to their regularly scheduled browsing.
Win.

All this aside though, I found the video entertaining. SEREBII....NOOBS!! :lol:

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Brilliant stuff there, Nida. You should post more in Battle Tower...posts like yours might start making this forum section seem more bearable desirable to post in.

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In all due respect, that was one of the most boring things I've ever watched >.> It took WAAAAY too long to get to the point.

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Smogon is a fan run site and if the majority of people say its uber, its uber and stop complaining and making whiny malicious videos.


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Paris Hilton is certainly not fully evolved.

Anyway, Garchomps were used way too much, and it was like every team had to have one, and they were probably using it for a reason: because it had so many pros and so few cons. I agreed pretty much that Garchomp is an Uber. Goodbye Garchomp..have fun hanging with Wobbufet.

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So...
According to this video...

Nazis are so powerful that they are banned from Pokemon tournaments?

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According to this video the person who stated that was stupid, as said by the Smogon Dude with the Hat.

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