I like them hating is stupid man

Oh no another one...
What's wrong with not liking something?
We all have our own tastes and opinions on something.

I'm not sure if judging them based on just the outside makes everything "okay" per se, although I get where you're coming from. And yeah, just saying "Vanilluxe/Garbodor is stupid because it's an ice cream sundae/trash bag" with little follow-up does come off as harsh, hence my reaction in the beginning.

And I'm totally willing to drop this back-and-forth if you are.

I was being sarcastic right there, saying that it was okay. "Oh, I don't care about the real you, all that matters is what's on the outside!" I think I once heard it on MADtv or something.

(Ah. Sarcasm doesn't transfer well over the internet. That, and it's very difficult for me to detect it to begin with.)

This has to do with the advances in technology. Generation I was very limited on details because of the limitations of the software.

Also, details look well when done correctly. I'd be more comfortable if you said that you didn't like certain details because generally disliking details seems close-minded considering how many details there are in the natural world. There's nothing wrong with preferring games with simpler graphics, but what you said struck me as very strange. o_O


Disregarding the arguments in this thread, I think Trubbish is cute. :3


I disliked the new Pokemon when I first saw them, as I did for the recently released Generation VI Pokemon. We really need to stop, step back, and just accept things for what they are. Being angry about a Pokemon design won't change anything; all it will do is cause you to be angry or upset or irritated. Just go with the flow and enjoy your favorites.

I've often found that it takes me a while to become accustomed to a new gens' pokemon, especially with Gen 5. It took me a very long time to start to really enjoy some of them aesthetically, and the same thing will most likely happen with the new gen as well.

...Not really sure what my point was, and I still don't like the design of Trubbish/Vanilluxe lines, but sometimes patience and keeping a cool head can improve your experience in games like these. /shrug

As I have been playing, I've noticed this as well. Before I played Black, I wasn't real pleased with Tepig and some of the others (like Trubbish/Vanillite, for example). I thought Chandelure was weird, as well, simply because it was a chandelier. But as I've put some play time into it, Chandelure has evolved (see what I did there?) into one of my teammates that I would not replace for all the Pokédollars in the world! Although that may be because Pokédollars have no real value... but that's beside the point!

Whoa, whoa, WAIT A MINUTE!

WAIT A F*CKING MINUTE!

Unova haters. What's wrong with a little creativity? Granted, Vanillite is ice cream, but that is creative! And Garbodor? Ripped open trash bags with pipe cleaner arms. That is creative. Muk, Koffing, and Voltorb. Not creative. They are puddles of sludge, balls of gas, and Pokéballs, respectively. People never understand that.

I feel better now after yelling at you guys.

Language! There are (probably) children here! Anyway, the difference between Grimer and Trubbish and Voltorb and Vanillite is that Grimer and Voltorb are the originals. Does that necessarily make them any better conceptually? No. But they have more history. Truthfully, Gen I veterans shouldn't have too much issue with Trubbish and Vanillite because they do fall into a similar line of originality that quite a few of the original pokemon had. If they do, it seems more likely to me that it stems in part from the Genwunner idea that each generation is progressively less original than the first.

But. Even if they despise Garbodor and adore Magneton, simply for the sake of originality and nothing else, then that is their prerogative, and in no way makes them a hater, which is quite a disgusting word because it puts fear and shame into having your own opinion, simply because other people don't agree with you. You say that Trubbish and Vanillite are original, and then turn around and rib into Koffing, Grimer, and Voltorb for being unoriginal. That may be your opinion, but isn't that just a tad hypocritical?

In my opinion, this entire argument over the originality of Trubbish and Vanillite is just foolish. It is, if for originality's sake, a Genwunner mindset, but it's still their opinion, which is a right that they have. It's when people make a big deal over it that it becomes an issue, because it only leads to ridiculous arguments over it.

Well, this is true. And sorry about that. I'm truly sorry. I've been talking with my friend "Japan" about how people seem to dislike Unova Pokémon more than most other generations. I'm very sorry.

Ehh... This is, uh, true... *gulp*

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The reason people who are defensive against the Unova hate target Kanto is to counter the Genwunners, as opposed to saying Johto or Hoenn (even Sinnoh, although some people would group Sinnoh with Unova as one of the newer regions). So it's nothing against Kanto but just the genwunners.